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Examining evolutionfairytale.com "Christian Warning"
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Submitted By doctorofscience on 10/05/31
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So after ronnie's constant copy-pasting of text from this page, I decided to give it a read - and it's just about the silliest collection of creationist/Christian apoligist spin I've ever read (except for MikeWolf's posts, of course).
 
In a nutshell, the post takes the failures and deficiencies of creationism - and tries to portray them as positives.
 
My number one warning to Christians is this: do not let evolutionists lead you into endless arguments that will only serve to waste your time where it can be better spent elsewhere.
 
That's ridiculous for two reasons. First of all, these people start a site called "EvolutionFairytale.com" and put a forum on it, and they're whining about drawn-out arguments? This is yet another example of a standard Christian apologist tactic: go on the offensive - but as soon as anyone pushes back, play the victim.
 
Secondly, it's almost invariably the creationists who draw out these arguments - their refusal (or inability?) to accept anything that conflicts with their dogmatic beliefs means they typically end up arguing in circles. That, and their tendency to throw hissy-fits when they (invariably) lose the argument, at which point they start posting Bible passages, accusing their opponents of pedophilia, etc.
 
One of the tactics of the enemy
 
(emphasis: mine)
 
The "enemy"? How melodramatic - and it's also just about the most transparent attempt at an "us vs. them" dichotomy that I've ever read.
 
Not only is there other ministry work you may be being held from, I also consider lost family time is often not worth the limited benefits a forum may bring to God’s kingdom.
 
"Fortunately, I absolutely despise my family, so I have plenty of time to run a forum and write long-winded Christian apologist screeds."
 
Evolution is a direct assault on Genesis, the very foundation of the Bible - "If the foundations are destroyed, What can the righteous do?" (Psalms 11:3).
 
"A faith that cannot survive collision with reality deserves few regrets." - Arthur C. Clarke
 
Satan is very clever, and knows that if he places doubts in people's mind about the very first book in the Bible, then why should they believe the rest of the Bible.
 
Ah yes, the "oppressed majority" posturing.
 
Funny though, Satan's "clever plan" doesn't seem to have worked with the majority of Christians (who accept theistic evolution, at least going by denomination).
 
Any excuse to justify creationism's endless failures, I guess.
 
Helps prepare you to debate origins in a public setting, such as with coworkers, family, etc. Keeps you tuned-up on the latest evolutionist responses.
 
Translation: it keeps you equipped with the latest and greatest creationist talking points that you can use to spam the comments of any Richard Dawkins videos on youTube.
 
Present an article or idea for review. Comments from the opposition can especially be useful, because they will often try harder to find holes or faults in your article. Evolutionists can occasionally provide good feedback, after all.
 
"...until we ban them for 'equivocation', that is."
 
Time-consuming. Writing a good post can take time, especially when research is involved.
 
"...or so we've heard."
 
They will always, almost without exception, get the last word. They will be relentless.
 
Sorry, chum, but the reason that "evolutionists" usually get the last word isn't because we're relentless - it's because the vast majority of creationists couldn't even successfully argue that water is wet. And, of course, it doesn't exactly help that there isn't a single shred of legitimate evidence that supports creationism.
 
The truth is, I have never once in 11+ years witnessed an activist evolutionist commit their life to Christ
 
"I've called Richard Dawkins a fag, what more can I do?!?!?"
 
Evolutionists believe what they do despite any evidence presented to them.
 
"Unlike creationists, who require such convincing evidence as.... uh... well.... uh.... HEY LOOK OVER THERE!"
 
They are firmly committed to a worldview that removes accountability.
 
Err, and I guess we'll just have to take his word for that...
 
Without exception, I have found that the committed evolutionist activist is always, I mean always, socially liberal.
 
*cough*bullshit*cough*
 
This ubiquitous connection overwhelmingly establishes the fact that you will likely never convince them, because it is not evidence but worldview that drives them; they simply do not want to be convinced
 
"So when you lose debates again and again and again, be sure to use that as your excuse!"
 
Evolutionists almost always outnumber creationists on origins boards, despite the fact that public polls show a comfortable margin of creationists over evolutionists.
 
That is completely false for most of the industrialized world - that statement is only accurate for the United States, and then only certain parts of the US.
 
So, in other words, he's trying to praise creationism on the grounds that it's accepted by people who also believe that lasers operate by sound waves. There's a ringing endorsement.
 
Christians generally do not feel the need to justify their faith on an internet forum.
 
Are creationists truly unable to see the contradiction in writing that sentence - and then posting it on a website that is dedicated to "Christians [...] justify[ing] their faith on an internet forum"?
 
the Bible says they are willfully ignorant (dumb on purpose
 
"As opposed to creationists, people who are so intelligent that they need to have the term 'willfully ignorant' defined for them."
 
This is my humble opinion on the origins debate, and some words of wisdom from years of experience that I wanted to share with fellow Christians so they know what they are getting into if they jump into an origins forum.
 
Translation: "I got run out of talk.origins after less than a dozen posts, so now I'm bitter and attempting to come up with elaborate justifications for creationist ineptitude."

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Re: Examining evolutionfairytale.com
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Posted 2010/05/31 - 21:09 GMT
"As opposed to creationists, people who are so intelligent that they need to have the term 'willfully ignorant' defined for them."
 
This one made me laugh so hard my stomach hurts.


This is my humble opinion on the origins debate, and some words of wisdom from years of experience that I wanted to share with fellow Christians so they know what they are getting into if they jump into an origins forum.

How can you be more experienced on the subject from searching the CreationWiki everytime you're suppose to reply to an argument?
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Re: Examining evolutionfairytale.com
1 hour - 169v
Posted 2010/06/06 - 3:41 GMT
Yeah...these guys played around with me...and amused me...for a time.  Then they got their panties in a bunch for something nasty I said on my home forum and used there manufactured offense as an excuse to ban me.  They certainly are masters of projection.  They accuse everyone of exactly what they are doing to everyone else...even while they are doing it.  They are fucktards to say the least.
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Re: Examining evolutionfairytale.com
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/06/10 - 12:52 GMT
Yea man, it is incredible the amount of time they spend posting. I have asked several times if they are paid to post. no reply. I am on the pc who I am in real life. These folks are hiding themselves. phoneys if you may.
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Re: Examining evolutionfairytale.com
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/06/10 - 16:06 GMT
"I have asked several times if they are paid to post. no reply."
it takes a special kind of stupid...
we already adressed this the first tiem you brought it up mike.
no.
 
"I am on the pc who I am in real life."
 
and yet you refuse to skype...funny.
 
"phoneys if you may."
there is a difference between phoney, and pseudonym...
 
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Re: Examining evolutionfairytale.com
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2010/06/10 - 23:51 GMT
so you wouldnt mind having a discussion over skype with me and 325?
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Re: Examining evolutionfairytale.com
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/06/13 - 21:51 GMT
Hey, Mikey - welcome back! I see you're following the standard Creationist cycle around here: post like crazy for a few weeks, then run away after going completely off the deep end, then switch to post-and-run tactics (see also: ronnie, bigdog, KentClark, 9tails, etc, etc, etc).
 
Yea man, it is incredible the amount of time they spend posting. I have asked several times if they are paid to post. no reply. I am on the pc who I am in real life. These folks are hiding themselves. phoneys if you may.
 
Hmmmm... from most people, I would assume that was just a clumsy attempt at an "I know you are, but what am I" reversal. But with Mikey, you can't discount the possibility that he's genuinely too stupid to figure out who Kevin's post was referring to.


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