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OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Submitted By DrWorm on 10/01/28
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They really need to take all the Right-Wing Christians and put them in camps where they can't hurt the rest of us:
 
From Mr. Hovind's blog:
 

Doc, this is a letter, I was asked to write for my City Job. They have come up to par with what I call Biblical technology … He is my letter less the City and company name of the product…

As per your request concerning my religious conviction, why I cannot partake of the new technology implement, being adopted by the City of ——-; namely, the “———- Bio-scan Time Data Terminal”. 

  I am a Judeo-Christian I live according to the teachings of Jesus, The Messiah or Christ, from the Holy Bible. I have been following His ways for 29 years. 

 According to the book in the Bible called, “Revelation”,  Jesus told The Apostle John (paraphrased):  

“There is going to come a time, when, “technology”, though governmental global policies, enforced by military means, would compel, “All people” into a system that would not allow them to do business in the usual way, unless, they took a “Mark” (Chip) & agreed to those global monetary business practices”.

“I believe the, “——— Bio-scan Time Data Terminal”, (that implements (R.F.I.D.) Radio-frequency Identification technology), is one of the symbolisms or “technologies,” Jesus was telling John, to warn humanity about in Revelation.

Definition: “Radio Frequency Identification” (R.F.I.D.)- Denoting technologies that use radio waves to identify people or objects carrying encoded “microchips”.
(For said subject; “mark” will be defined as microchip or short, “chip”. and WiFi is the “Technology”, how information will be passed along.)

These technologies in and of themselves, are harmless. It is when I am “asked” to cohere (unite) My body part on a machine that gives me an uncomfortable feeling.

Revelation 13:16-17; 14:8-12 and 19:20 warns humanity, not to be “deceived” concerning this mark. (chip).  Revelation 13:16-17 is very clear concerning this mark; “And he causes all, (humanity) both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive “a mark” (Chip) in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, unless he had this “mark”. (Chip) Deceive- To cause (someone) to believe something that is not (fully) true, typically in order to gain some personal advantage.  

I have informed the Pastor’s of my church that they may be receiving inquiry concerning this subject. Interpretation to this subject and it’s technology … was not known in the Bible writer’s time. The author used the closest “symbols” or words” to convey, understanding, to the future generations reading his book.

These are my “discoveries” why I feel it compulsory (according to the rules I follow in the Bible), that I can not get involved with this “technology”.

The word … interpretation is always brought up in religious matters. Interpret: “To understand a particular way that conveys ones understanding of the creator’s ideas. (For this discussion, “The creator”, is God)

 Revelation 13:16-17 gives clear, characteristics and distinctive phenomenon, surrounding this technology. Namely, “No man might buy or sell”… unless he had this mark (chip). 

Schools of thought in the religious field, what this “Mark” may be:
1). A literal mark, (Chip) or device placed on the or in the hand or forehead.
2). A mental acceptance or agreement, (contract) to said such practices. 
    (This may include a badge or objects carrying encoded microchip.)
See reference of this “Chip” in (Attached 1)

I read and keep up with current events. I have re-read the ——- City Policies and Procedures Manual Adopted August 15, 2008 for “Harassment”. Though it was intended inform our members, women were joining the ranks of the ——– Fire Department, “Religion” falls under Harassment as well. Rights that have not only been on the books since, August 15, 2008 but since “December 15,1791”.  

I cherish and exercise my religious rights. I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution against ALL enemies foreign and domestic. I would be doing a DIS-SERVICE to my country, my family, members of my department, members of those from my family who served in the military, my Church, and My God … if I did not question this “Subject”, that I feel dangerous and “a threat” to the future generations, who don’t understand R.F.D.I. technologies for future purposes.

Their are those within our Country ebbing away at “Our laws” imposing  “Policies”, that are forcing me, “the worker” to fear and compromise “God given freedoms”. I’m tired of standing back and watching the lines of right and wrong become fuzzy, because they are blurry in the eyes of others. I worked for this job not to have it compromise my American way of life or my religious practices. 

Below are attached information on:

R.F.I.D. Technology 
(Attached 1)

“TOUCHING BIG BROTHER” by Esq. Simon G. Davies 
How biometric technology will fuse flesh and machine, 
Information Technology & People”, Vol 7, No. 4 1994; 
(Attached 2) 

Original Greek words used to explain “mark”.
Each word goes back to it’s root form. Definitions are from 
Strong’s Hebrew and Greek dictionary. 
(Attached 3)

 
 Biblical Scripture references, warning humanity of individual’s through 
government powers that will push to change laws and policies … 
and make this “Mark” mandatory or, the person that does not comply 
will not be able to buy or sell. 
 (Attached 4)

(Attached 3) the Greek definitions imply… this “Mark” can be a  “System” or “A policy” or, “A system of policies”. The word  “Mark” can be translated as: “Emblem, symbol, image, figure, mark, sign; crest, “BADGE”, “DEVICE”, insignia, stamp, seal”.  

 “Device” is of particular intrigue as it describes the, the “Tempo series T016 Bio-scan Time Data Terminal”.
 
Device: noun
 1.) A thing made or adapted for a particular purpose, esp. a mechanical or electronic contrivance : a 
      measuring device.
 2.) A plan, scheme, or trick with a particular aim.

To end;

 I follow the S.O.G.’s of the —— City Fire Department. I understand the complexity of the City’s time management challenges. The  city. didn’t create this, technology that just happens to mirror Jesus’ words in Revelation. With all due respect,  because I am under Para-authority, does not mean, I loose my conscience, because I am asked to follow an order? I don’t want to fall under the same category as, “Lynndie England” because, “I did not question and give valid reasoning, to those informing me, “To comply to an order or policy” ; (at least in this incidence), that may cause pain and suffering to myself or others.  (Referring to Attached 4). I have to be true to my convictions. 

 I have been on the City pay roll for 11 years, and 2 years prior in 1992 as a provisional employee with the police tow division. “I respectfully request that the same manor of time keeping that I have been under in these years of employment with the “City of Atlantic City”, be kept in place for me and any other employee wishing the same”.   

I hope my “LIVELIHOOD”, won’t be affected with this, “New technology implement”. Again, I do not feel comfortable with this technology confiscating my unique ID. (Finger print). The City already has a record of my finger prints.  

In saying all this … I did take notice in reading the “Tempo series T016 Bio-scan Time Data Terminal” specifications, 3 choices are given … 1). Fingerprint only, 2). ID number + fingerprint, 3). ID number + code. Number 3 I am comfortable with.
See: “T016 BioScan Biometric Terminal”

My apologies if I am causing any inconvenience. “But, those are the reasons why, I can not participate with this “New technology”, as I believe it fulfills Jesus warnings in Revelation thus violating my rights protected under The Constitution of the United States.

Sincerely 
F.F. Anthony Michael Carfagno

The U.S. Constitution – Amendment 1
”Congress shall make “no law” respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Ratified 12/15/1791 

 

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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2010/01/28 - 3:11 GMT
tl:dr
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/01/28 - 13:04 GMT
"As per your request concerning my religious conviction, why I cannot partake of the new technology implement, being adopted by the City of ——-; namely, the “———- Bio-scan Time Data Terminal”.

I am a Judeo-Christian I live according to the teachings of Jesus, The Messiah or Christ, from the Holy Bible. I have been following His ways for 29 years. "

riiight,
same old fear of "the mark of the beast" crap.

"According to the book in the Bible called, “Revelation”, Jesus told The Apostle John (paraphrased):

“There is going to come a time, when, “technology”, though governmental global policies, enforced by military means, would compel, “All people” into a system that would not allow them to do business in the usual way, unless, they took a “Mark” (Chip) & agreed to those global monetary business practices”."

paraphrased being the crux word here.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
6 days - 8,777v
Posted 2010/01/29 - 0:52 GMT
Revelation 13: 17-18:  "and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man; his number is 666."
 
I doubt that people would have the option to replace an identification tag with that name or the number 666(how would that identify you individually?)
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/01/29 - 8:32 GMT
""I doubt that people would have the option to replace an identification tag with that name or the number 666(how would that identify you individually?)""

you ever thought how they'd identify the signal as an identification tag?
that's right, because al chips will have the same recognition signal on it, along with all the unique data.

see it like this:

666 leroyjainkins
666 rickroll
666 marypoping
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
6 days - 8,777v
Posted 2010/01/29 - 23:31 GMT
"you ever thought how they'd identify the signal as an identification tag?"
that's right, because al chips will have the same recognition signal on it, along with all the unique data."
 
If the recognition signal has anything to do with the number 666, then christians should probably have nothing to do with it. If this is the case, then the chip probably signifies being a follower, supporter, etc. of "the beast"
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/01/30 - 15:12 GMT
" If this is the case, then the chip probably signifies being a follower, supporter,"
 
or property.
 
"If the recognition signal has anything to do with the number 666,"
 
like all christians are computer technicians and can read code.

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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/02/03 - 21:14 GMT
Here's hoping that every follower of Kent Hovind sends a copy of this letter to his/her employer. True, it will put a drain on the soup kitchens and the food stamp supply, but it will sure be funny to watch - and it might create some job openings for people who aren't batshit insane.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/02/18 - 15:26 GMT
666 is actually on every single bar code. coincedence? maybe.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
9 hours - 765v
Posted 2010/02/18 - 18:04 GMT
No it isn't.
 
http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/barcode.asp
 
Maybe you should stop being a moron.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/02/19 - 6:47 GMT
I reused it as a joke man. The Bible is historical, people don't know what it actually means and start saying anything. I was mocking it so to speak.
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/02/20 - 17:32 GMT
"The Bible is historical, people don't know what it actually means and start saying anything."
 
 
wow....a historical document that ISN'T easily understood?
just...WOW. i've read belli galico...and even THAT was understandable, not to mention we can find multiple references of that happening.
 
how about the bible ey? how about you provide some evidence that the ark is historical? or the resurrection, or the zombies, or better yet, the garden.
 
go on.
demonstrate it's historical validity.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/02/24 - 18:10 GMT
The names, the dates, the places, etc. verify authenticity brother. Atheists used to say the the oldest manuscripts we had were 1000 years removed and claimed it was all made up. The dead sea scrolls shattered yet another atheistic myth. they were 20 years removed from the original.
Now we have an historic document with over 50,000 manuscripts backing it up. More then any other antient document. You can't dismiss it anymore without being dogmatic. As for the parts you see as magic? see double slit experiment, delayed decision portion. Once naturalists saw there was an unnatural paradox, they knew everything is not naturalistic.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/02/25 - 3:29 GMT
"Atheists used to say the the oldest manuscripts we had were 1000 years removed and claimed it was all made up."
 
what?
as in 1000 years ago or 1000 years before the bible?
also you seem to be confusing historical accuracy with "a kernel of truth".
there is barely anything historical about the description of jezus in the NT, and most of the history is in the OT (where it is important), a history written by "the victors" i might add. as the torah is extremely important to the jewish culture...they didn't shy away to "embelish" certain things...and take inspiration from other sources.
 
EG the flood. or that massive "reconquesta" of israel that they allededgy did (for which hard archelogical evidence is lacking).
or hell...even the acts of jezus are only written in a ONE SIDED ACCOUNT.
 
" The dead sea scrolls shattered yet another atheistic myth."
 
unfortunately so do MANY MURALS. but let me not feed your demonisation fantasy any longer.
 
"they were 20 years removed from the original."
 
actually that would be about a 100-150. away from the jezus his death at least. simple wiki search.
 
"Now we have an historic document with over 50,000 manuscripts backing it up."
 
the bible is FAR from being authorotive on historical matters...come on...you got this in history class didn't you? council of nicaea? compilation for good roman PR?
 
"More then any other antient document."
yes..unfortunately if OTHER authors do not mention it's occurences....you have nothing more then a inspired story book.
 
" You can't dismiss it anymore without being dogmatic."
 
no, you cannot UNQUESTIONY ACCEPT it, without being dogmatic.
 
"As for the parts you see as magic? see double slit experiment, delayed decision portion."
 
this has WHAT to do with raising the dead, making mass out of nothign and flooding the earth without killing everything?
 
"Once naturalists saw there was an unnatural paradox"
 
you DO understand the definition of a paradox right?
aslo would you like to provide us with a method BESIDES methodological naturalism, that has provided us with any tangeble tech we can use? las time i checked we weren't using thetans in Electronmicroscopes...
 
"they knew everything is not naturalistic."
cite source?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/02/26 - 18:37 GMT
You are deluded brother. A whole lifetime of propaganda has made you a know it all. Every point you make is dogmatic and some even out dated. I believe in God, and therefore the bible is the most accurate we have, proven by the dead sea scrolls. I don't believe it out of lack of knowledge. I was an atheist. I came from the knowledge I gained. You say I am gullible, and believe lies. But I am here to tell you that you have been deceived your whole life into thinking there was no god, when there is no proof of that. So philisophically speaking pascal was right. God was the best bet until proof our souls wouldn't suffer when we died.
 
Now for your dogmatic arguement about the "believers" evils and lack of scientific pursue because our belief makes us ignorant, all I'll say just about every scientific breakthrough was developed or discovered by a creationist.
 
aaaand the evils of christianity are responsible for about 1,000,000 murders, however the evils of  Atheism are responsible for 100,000,000 in only one hundred years. Since "your " people still run china. We know they are still murdering to this day, but probably the same rate the other 100,000,000 slaughtered Christians, which is about a million a year. And you run around acting like we are the evil in the world. Wake up brother, you have nothing but hate and anger in your heart. Atheism has lead you there. But think about it. I say I believe and you say you know. We all know who is wrong here.
 
And the quantum paradox tells us man had to be here to observe the universe and all that is in it real. In other words, without our observation, no wave can breakdown to a particle. But, as fate would hava it, this could be explained easily. We were made in our creators image (spiritual), and he moved upon the surface. Since our creator was here waves brokedown into particles.
 
But hey I won't call you an idiot for not believing my hypothesis. But you call people idiots who don't believe your "HYPOTHESIS". That's the problem. you people act like your hypothesis is scientific fact, that is why you are dogmatic.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/02/26 - 18:40 GMT
oh, and anytime you want a chess game, or rubik's cube race. I like showing Atheists they are not as smart as they think they are. Game?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/02/26 - 19:06 GMT
Oh, before the dead sea scrolls. manuscripts dated back only 900 AD. I believe the oldest scroll about 300 BC. However there is a tablet that's been found of biblical scripture dating back to 1,000 BC now, Not done all testing yet from what I read. But look up what all the so called scientists were saying before the 1970's. They were beating Christians over the head about how it was fake cause there was too much time removed from the origin to be authentic.
 
It was they who were lazy and didn't want to do the work science demanded, to be able to act like something was proven wrong not because of what they found but what they didn't find and didn't look for. Like how can you say something is extinct when a large part of the world is unexplored.  Ceolacanth anyone?  Remember how it was scientifically impossible for it to go 140 million years and not change 1 bit. Yep bad science. I remember reading before, the bible was being called fake because those smart Atheist said the universe was static and infinite and beat Christians over the head with that. Hubble proved the universe is expanding and finite. Atheists are good at making things up that you can't check on yet and call it fact, time and time again. And what do you know, those gobal scammers, all marxist Atheists. They are allowed to deceive you see, there's no God to say they can't. Pity for the world.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/02/26 - 23:23 GMT
The names, the dates, the places, etc. verify authenticity brother.
 
Wrong. The majority of Biblical figures (even Jesus) have not been historically-verified to have even existed.
 
Atheists used to say the the oldest manuscripts we had were 1000 years removed
 
Uh, for example....?
 
The dead sea scrolls shattered yet another atheistic myth. they were 20 years removed from the original.
 
And? It's still a historically-unbsubstantiated account, the discovery of the dead sea scrolls does nothing to change that.
 
As for the parts you see as magic? see double slit experiment, delayed decision portion. Once naturalists saw there was an unnatural paradox, they knew everything is not naturalistic.
 
Are you seriously trying to compare religious dogma to quantum mechanics?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/02/27 - 19:13 GMT
You are a dogmatic Atheist. You have only given your opinion and treat it like fact. And being an Atheist, you are not bound by any ultimate truth, so being honest is a mere dogmatic term used to control the people whom are free to lie.
 
The king james bible is an authentic historical document, only Atheists dogmatically dismiss it. Closed minded, knowit alls, that will force everyone to think the way they say or else, if given the chance.
 
The quantum paradox is only understood in the light of the scriptural text.
I can't help it you Atheist won't get to the bottom of anything if God is involved, so you comprise any real science for our hatred of God, not dis belief. You only pawn it as disbelief to cover your hatred. And believe me, you folks own the market on hatred and misery.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/02/27 - 20:22 GMT
You are a dogmatic Atheist. You have only given your opinion and treat it like fact.
 
...so says the Christian apologist, right after stating an unsubstantiated opinion. Nicely done.
 
And being an Atheist, you are not bound by any ultimate truth,
 
An amusing statement for you to make, given that it demonstrates an utter lack of intellectual honesty. That, or a complete lack of understanding of what "atheism" actually is.
 
So, tell us, which are you? Dishonest or just plain clueless?
 
so being honest is a mere dogmatic term used to control the people whom are free to lie.
 
Uh, what? That's supposed to be English, right?
 
The king james bible is an authentic historical document
 
Buwhahahaha! If you had ANY notion of the hisory behind the KJV translation, you'd know how stupid that statement makes you look.
 
Closed minded, knowit alls, that will force everyone to think the way they say or else, if given the chance.
 
Boo-hoo - does the baby want his bottle?
 
Reality check: if you post obvious BS on a public forum, you should expect to be called on it. Welcome to the Internet, Chuckles.
 
The quantum paradox is only understood in the light of the scriptural text.
 
Ah yes, more references to barely-understood quantum physics concepts - AKA the first sign of a pseudoscience "true believer".
 
I can't help it you Atheist won't get to the bottom of anything if God is involved, so you comprise any real science for our hatred of God, not dis belief.
 
And here's the rambling incoherency - AKA the second sign of a pseudoscience "true believer".
 
You only pawn it as disbelief to cover your hatred.
 
Funny, you were the first one spewing hatred in this thread.
 
And believe me, you folks own the market on hatred and misery.
 
Ah, let me guess: you're one of those Hovind-ite twits who believes that evolution caused the Holocaust, or the Hindenburg, or some other random idiocy?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/02/28 - 15:46 GMT
ok i wrote about a A4 of text adressign you post, but FF crashed.
what it came down to is that you really should get on skype and see if your anger seems to be justified.
 
 
"But hey I won't call you an idiot for not believing my hypothesis."
 
yet you call me evil and strawman me,.....nice.
 
"But you call people idiots who don't believe your "HYPOTHESIS""
 
my hypothesis being what?
no god?
hint:
NULL HYPOTHESIS
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Posted 2010/02/28 - 15:48 GMT
"oh, and anytime you want a chess game, or rubik's cube race. I like showing Atheists they are not as smart as they think they are. Game?"
 
rigth. i don't really think that chess and rubics cubes are a way to test intelligence...i'd much more perfer a soratic conversation and an in depth analysis of the world around us.
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Posted 2010/02/28 - 15:59 GMT
"Oh, before the dead sea scrolls. manuscripts dated back only 900 AD."
 
nooo....
or have you never heard of aristotle, OR ANY OTHER GREEK OR ROMAN TEXTS?
 
"But look up what all the so called scientists were saying before the 1970's. They were beating Christians over the head about how it was fake cause there was too much time removed from the origin to be authentic.
 
It was they who were lazy and didn't want to do the work science demanded, to be able to act like something was proven wrong not because of what they found but what they didn't find and didn't look for."
 
those people do not sound like scientists to me.
if they where they would be overjoyed to find new data.
 
"Like how can you say something is extinct when a large part of the world is unexplored."
 
base population level required for survival (base varience in the genepool required) aside.
if we don't see certain organisms anymore, we don't really have a reason to believe they are still out there...but that should NEVER stifle the search for them.
 
"Ceolacanth anyone? "
 
point being?
 
"Remember how it was scientifically impossible for it to go 140 million years and not change 1 bit."
 
unlikely=/= impossible...i believe your science teacher should have told you that. oh and it's not even that unlikely at that...look at snails, sharks, insects. the rule of tumb in nature is "if it works, you'll find it". and consequently if a very efficient design pops up, it doesn't need to be altered a lot in it's possibly very long existance.
 
"Yep bad science."
 
in the way you worded it, i fully agree with you.
 
"the bible was being called fake because those smart Atheist said the universe was static and infinite and beat Christians over the head with that."
 
eeeh..
it would be the catholic church who was voting for it staying static.
 
" Atheists are good at making things up that you can't check on yet and call it fact, time and time again."
 
and what exactly is it you are having a qualm with now?
 
"And what do you know, those gobal scammers, all marxist Atheists."
 
you REALLY need to get over this demonisation."
 
SKYPE ME
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/02/28 - 15:59 GMT
If right wing chritstians need to be put where they can't hurt anyone, then why shouldn't we already have all the Atheists there already? 100,000,000 murdered in 100 years.
 
I don't get you people. You whine about the very thought of God as evil. And yet when we point out real evil, silence. You attack my english. I can't write well, never have. Does that mean I am stupid? Hmm, so when I beat an english teacher in chess, should he be fired? And my family braggs to everyone about how I always have the answers to questions no one could answer.  But I guess up against a superior mind such as yourself, I need to be put away to keep others safe from me. I started the hate?
 
Your way of thinking leads to murder man. So, I'll expect either you deny what your people did, or say it doesn't mean Atheism is evil. Look on the net, read atheists' comments. We know all we need to know about you people.
 
What? no chess? Are you just an educated idiot? Or you just trying to get the last word? Either way, you think you know. I only believe.
 
I won't use spell check so you can have an arguement to make, and insult me some more, you great example of a human being. You see man, we all have a god. which is your's? I know, your God is Government right? Just like hitler, stalin, and marx.
 
And all Atheistsic scientists have been bullcrapping us for 150 years, literally making things up trying to get people to throw away God. So what you think you know is based on deception. You can find what I said anywhere. You do your own homework. 
 
A woman Atheist was standing at a dig sight and on camera said something like, if the bible was accurate, they would have found a particular type of pottery. But there is no pottery here and the bible has been proven false. Until years later funding was denied to anyone to finish digging because what she said, was concidered scientific fact and any Atheists in the know used it in public forums to bash the bible as fake. Until someone put out their own money to finish digging the site and guess what? They found the pottery in the part that wasn't escavated. You see she was digging in the poor part of town. The pottery was in the rich part. So you think the atheists would announce the accuracy of the bible? Not a peep. Most of them don't even know Ms Scott, I think that is her name, and those that do, still think her dig proved the bible false.
 
As for showing you where I get my info, you'll just call the people liars like always. I am done showing people where I get my info. It's your people who are the liars as far as I'm concerned. So, you need to prove me wrong, after all, I only believe, which implies my uncertainty of universal truths. You see the quantum paradox stole the Atheists certainty, but they still act certain, why? Atheistsic dogma. You know there is no God is the dogmatic way of thinking. I know the Atheists lie through their teeth and that is not dogmatic. global warning anyone?
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/02/28 - 16:04 GMT
I don't get it. You like all the evil figures in history, you abide by their insane philosophy at least. They were so insane, 100,000,000 Christians payed with their lives. Why don't you want people like them behind bars, hmmm?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/02/28 - 16:07 GMT
"The king james bible is an authentic historical document"
and yet it is a translation that is modded to be easily readable for english people....your ignorance is showing here...
 
"only Atheists dogmatically dismiss it."
 
ooooh i won't be so sure abotu that....you just talk to an agnositc, or a deist, or HELL even an hinduist.
 
but then again...WHAT exactly do atheist dismiss? that it is a historical document? that it is solely a historical document? that it is the word of god? that it contains some historical accurate information?
 
you should be more specific.

"Closed minded, knowit alls"
you clearly don't know this atheist (me)then.
 
"or else, if given the chance."
 
or else what? come on....put those words in my mouth (hands of drworm)
 
"The quantum paradox is only understood in the light of the scriptural text."
no. that is an outright lie. aks a physics professor why.
 
"I can't help it you Atheist won't get to the bottom of anything if God is involved, so you comprise any real science for our hatred of God"
 
how can i hate something i think doesn't exist?
 
" You only pawn it as disbelief to cover your hatred."
 
then skype and enlighten me.
 
"And believe me, you folks own the market on hatred and misery."
 
oooh i really would be so sure about that...or to put it into the words of someone you undoubtebly know
 
"

„Ein solch verzweifeltes, durchböstes, durchgiftetes, durchteufeltes Ding ist’s um diese Juden, so diese 1400 Jahre unsere Plage, Pestilenz und alles Unglück gewesen sind und noch sind. Summa, wir haben rechte Teufel an ihnen.“

„Wenn ich könnte, wo würde ich ihn [den Juden] niederstrecken und in meinem Zorn mit dem Schwert durchbohren.“

„Jawohl, sie halten uns [Christen] in unserem eigenen Land gefangen, sie lassen uns arbeiten in Nasenschweiß, Geld und Gut gewinnen, sitzen sie dieweil hinter dem Ofen, faulenzen, pompen und braten Birnen, fressen, sauffen, leben sanft und wohl von unserm erarbeiteten Gut, haben uns und unsere Güter gefangen durch ihren verfluchten Wucher, spotten dazu und speien uns an, das wir arbeiten und sie faule Juncker lassen sein … sind also unsere Herren, wir ihre Knechte.“"

guess who?

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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/02/28 - 16:11 GMT
Read some lee strobel books on that subject. One is  called "The case for Christ". He lays out his hypothesis on the subject. Very compelling though, and historically rich.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/02/28 - 16:27 GMT
You are deluded brother. A whole lifetime of propaganda has made you a know it all.
 
Wow, propaganda that makes someone all-knowing? That's pretty impressive!
 
Every point you make is dogmatic and some even out dated.
 
And, yet, you're unable address any of them directly. Interesting.
 
I believe in God, and therefore the bible is the most accurate we have, proven by the dead sea scrolls.
 
Non sequitur - your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise, and it's barely deserves to be called a "premise" to begin with.
 
I don't believe it out of lack of knowledge. I was an atheist.
 
If were ever truly an atheist, you should have some understanding of what atheism actually is - and that's clearly not the case. Judging from the ignorance you've displayed so far, I doubt you could even correctly define the word "atheism".
 
But I am here to tell you that you have been deceived your whole life into thinking there was no god, when there is no proof of that.
 
You can't conclusively proove that Odin doesn't exist either, and that's hardly proof of his existence.
 
Claims that are unaccompanied by evidence are assumed to be false (which includes claims regarding the existence of supernatural deities). That's basic intellectual rigour.
 
So philisophically speaking pascal was right. God was the best bet until proof our souls wouldn't suffer when we died.
 
Wrong. If you examine Pascal's Wager without the Christian bias, the logical conclusion is that it's safest to believe in (or feign belief in) the deity that advertises the harshest punishments for non-belief. Which would lead you to Judaism or Islam before Christianity, at least if you you were capable of intellectual honesty.
 
Of course, you'd have to be pretty damn'd intellectually insecure to actually choose a set of philosophical convictions solely for the purpose of hedging your bets.
 
I'll say just about every scientific breakthrough was developed or discovered by a creationist.
 
Logical fallacy: appeal to/argument from authority. It's also clear that you're trying to imply some sort of causal connection - when all you've actually demonstrated is correlation.
 
Oh, and by the way, most scientific discoveries made by "creationists" were made before Darwin was ever born. Of course, it's obvious why you omit that *minor* detail (because it doesn't fit your apologist agenda).
 
aaaand the evils of christianity are responsible for about 1,000,000 murders, however the evils of  Atheism are responsible for 100,000,000 in only one hundred years.
 
Wrong again. A direct causal relationship can be shown between Christianity and the attrocities that it's committed - in other words, most of those 1,000,000 you mention were killed explicity in the name of God/Jesus/some particular Christian sect.
 
You haven't shown any similar causal relationship between atheism and any of the attrocities that you're dishonestly trying to blame atheism for.
 
Since "your " people still run china
 
You mean like "your" people still run Saudi Arabia?
 
Wake up brother, you have nothing but hate and anger in your heart.
 
That's pretty funny, especially since you spent the previous two and a half paragraphs spewing spewing lies and hatred about atheists.
 
But think about it. I say I believe and you say you know. We all know who is wrong here.
 
And now you're resorting to the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad populum.
 
And the quantum paradox tells us man had to be here to observe the universe and all that is in it real. In other words, without our observation, no wave can breakdown to a particle. But, as fate would hava it, this could be explained easily. We were made in our creators image (spiritual), and he moved upon the surface. Since our creator was here waves brokedown into particles.
 
Before you make an even bigger fool of yourself, you might want to educate yourself on some of the basic concepts underlying quantum physics. It's painfully-apparent that all you've done is take some half-understood thought experiments and try to twist them around to support you religious convictions.
 
It's also strange that you would bring up quantum physics in the same post where you try to imply a connection between creationism and scientific discoveries. If anything, belief in God was a handicap that held back research into quantum physics - Einstein rejected the Uncertainty Principle on the grounds that "God does not play dice."
 
But hey I won't call you an idiot for not believing my hypothesis. But you call people idiots who don't believe your "HYPOTHESIS". That's the problem. you people act like your hypothesis is scientific fact, that is why you are dogmatic.
 
That's an amazingly-lazy attempt at spin, even for a Christian apologist. When has he called you (or anyone else) an idiot, on the grounds that you refuse to accept a hypothesis as fact? Or are you just lying again?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/02/28 - 16:29 GMT
oh, and anytime you want a chess game, or rubik's cube race. I like showing Atheists they are not as smart as they think they are. Game?
 
You're bragging about your intelligence in a post where you demonstrate that you don't even understand the basic rules of English capitalization? Free hint: "Atheists" [sic] is not a proper noun and, therefore, shouldn't be capitalized.
 
When you can't even manage to write like a literate adult, it's kind of hard to take you seriously on topics like philosophy and quantum physics.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/02/28 - 16:33 GMT
"If right wing chritstians need to be put where they can't hurt anyone, then why shouldn't we already have all the Atheists there already? 100,000,000 murdered in 100 years."
 
are you bloody serious?
do you have even the slightest clue how societies work?
 
"I don't get you people. You whine about the very thought of God as evil."
 
how about you actually talk to us for once and stop repeating demonised claptrap.
 
"You attack my english. I can't write well, never have."
neither can i, probably a little dislectic...and mostly lazy.
 
" Does that mean I am stupid? Hmm"
 
and who said that? i think you should reavaluate what the difference is between mocking, impying and outright insultign someone.
 
"so when I beat an english teacher in chess, should he be fired?"
 
chess is not an intelligence meter. (there is really good documentary on how those chess masters do it, i recommend you watch it)
 
"And my family braggs to everyone about how I always have the answers to questions no one could answer."
 
like?
 
"But I guess up against a superior mind such as yourself, I need to be put away to keep others safe from me. I started the hate?"
 
read your posts again by putting yourself into our shoes.
really a little self reflection would do you a lot of good.
 
"Your way of thinking leads to murder man."
 
and yet i haven't killed a man yet, and most people think im an extremely carign induvidual....now why is that?
 
"So, I'll expect either you deny what your people did, or say it doesn't mean Atheism is evil."
 
your ignorance is showing...again...i think this can only be explained to you in direct conversation, and not a message board like this.
the internet makes people.....less involved in what they say, so to speak.
 
"Look on the net, read atheists' comments. We know all we need to know about you people."
 
ooh, do link some.
and make sure you filter out all the obvious online banter by teenage boys, and actually post the stuff wich was ment as substance.
 
"What? no chess? Are you just an educated idiot?"
 
oxymoron? do you have the same anti-ittelectuals ronnie holds in regard to schooling?
 
"I won't use spell check so you can have an arguement to make, and insult me some more, you great example of a human being."
 
please don't try and butter up your ego by actign like a martyr..
it's just you so obviously are trying to take the moral and intellectual highground here and you make so many stupid boast from ignorance....you just have to be called on those in your hypocrisy.
 
"Just like hitler, stalin, and marx."
 
who all had VERY different views of god.
didn't you have that in history class?
 
"And all Atheistsic scientists have been bullcrapping us for 150 years, literally making things up trying to get people to throw away God."
 
let me ask you a question in regards to this hatefull accuation.
do you think evolution is a valuable tool to use in the search for new medicines?

"So what you think you know is based on deception. You can find what I said anywhere. You do your own homework. "
 
is this a seemingly sublte try to get out from under the proof of burden?
 
"A woman Atheist was standing at a dig sight and on camera said something like, if the bible was accurate, they would have found a particular type of pottery. But there is no pottery here and the bible has been proven false."
 
...i can already tell this is much more nuanced then you make it out to be.
 
"As for showing you where I get my info, you'll just call the people liars like always."
 
when i read that, i think
 
..."CRAAAP! i have to back up my claimm....dammit. *RUN AWAY RUN AWAY*"
 
". I am done showing people where I get my info."
 
oooh no. you should just be beginning.
 
"It's your people who are the liars as far as I'm concerned."
 
what happened to innocent untill proven guilty? my what a sense of rightiousness you have....
 
"o, you need to prove me wrong, after all, I only believe,"
 
so? you have a basis for your beliefs. provide that basis so we can asses it's accuracy...
you really didn't think believers didn't have to back up their beliefs rigth?
 
"which implies my uncertainty of universal truths."
 
mmm, i feel an incredible feeling of blatant "pot calling kettle"
 
" I know the Atheists lie through their teeth and that is not dogmatic. global warning anyone?"
 
IPCC part 1 anyone?
 
PM me so we can arrange skype.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/02/28 - 18:24 GMT
If right wing chritstians need to be put where they can't hurt anyone, then why shouldn't we already have all the Atheists there already? 100,000,000 murdered in 100 years.
 
Fallacious argument, you're conflating correlation with cause.
 
I don't get you people. You whine about the very thought of God as evil.
 
Lazy characterization & unsubstantiated claim.
 
And yet when we point out real evil, silence.
 
Your attempts to point out "real evil" have been refuted numerous times in this thread alone. The only silence is yours, as you've continually failed to address those counter-arguments (ditto most of your other claims).
 
You attack my english. I can't write well, never have. Does that mean I am stupid?
 
Not necessarily - it could also mean that you're just poorly-educated or a sloppy writer.
 
Of course, your focus on a single sentence from my post is obviously a just red herring so that you can avoid addressing the rest of my reply. That, and your ability to coherently express your arguments has much more relevance to a written debate than your skill at chess.
 
And my family braggs to everyone about how I always have the answers to questions no one could answer.
 
A comment that is barely a step above threatening that your daddy will beat me up.
 
Your way of thinking leads to murder man. So, I'll expect either you deny what your people did, or say it doesn't mean Atheism is evil. Look on the net, read atheists' comments. We know all we need to know about you people.
 
And by your own "guilt by extremely-tenuous association" reasoning, Islamic extremists should be considered "your people" - they're also fundamentalist believers in the Abrahamic God, after all.
 
What? no chess? Are you just an educated idiot? Or you just trying to get the last word?
 
How does chess skill - or the ability to solve a rubik's cube - have ANY relevance here? That's no different than some of your fellow creationists who posted here in the past and tried to challenge people to fist fights (because they couldn't handle losing an argument on the Internet).
 
Either way, you think you know. I only believe.
 
Neither, actually, since both positions are laughably-simplistic from both philosophical and intellectual standpoints.
 
But do keep making those uninformed assumptions, it's at least entertaining to watch.
 
I won't use spell check so you can have an arguement to make,
 
We're back to that red herring? Anything to hide the fact that you're incapable of addressing the other points I made, I guess.
 
and insult me some more, you great example of a human being.
 
You've been spewing bile and rancor, and lazy generalizations about atheists from your very first post - and now you're trying to play the victim?
 
Another standard Christian apologist tactic - as soon as you start to lose a debate, start with "woe is me" delusions of persecution.
 
You see man, we all have a god. which is your's? I know, your God is Government right? Just like hitler, stalin, and marx.
 
Ah yes, comparisons to Hitler - the favourite tactic of the intellectually-desperate when they've thoroughly lost an argument. Thank you for demonstrating the chief corollary of Godwin's Law:
 
"...once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress."
 
And all Atheistsic scientists have been bullcrapping us for 150 years, literally making things up trying to get people to throw away God.
 
And, yet, there have been more scientific discoveries made in the past 150 years than in the entirety of previous human history. Why, it almost as if Christianity was impeding scientific progress in the past!
 
So what you think you know is based on deception.
 
"Dogs flew spaceships, Aztecs invented the vacation, men and women are the same sex, your brain is not the boss! Yes, that's right - everything you know is wrong!"
 
You can find what I said anywhere. You do your own homework.
 
That's not how it works, Chuckles - ever hear the term "burden of proof"? You made the claim, therefore it's your responsibility to substantiate it.
 
You've had ample opportunity to back up your claims, and you've utterly failed to do so with most of them. At this point, the most plausible conclusions is that you simply CAN'T.
 
A woman Atheist was standing at a dig sight [TL;DR...]
 
A vague anecdote with no references, links, or ANY specifics other than a surname that you're not certain of. And that's your idea of a persuasive argument? Really?
 
As for showing you where I get my info, you'll just call the people liars like always.
 
Do you even realize how transparent that excuse is? Clearly your only sources are ones that you know are inaccurate or dishonest - so you're using a cheap excuse (a lazy presumption of what my reaction would be) to avoid referencing any of them.
 
I am done showing people where I get my info.
 
Translation: you can't provide your sources, or you're afraid to.
 
It's your people who are the liars as far as I'm concerned.
 
I doubt that "our people" will be losing any sleep over your convictions, since you've made it abundantly clear that your convictions have no basis in reality.
 
So, you need to prove me wrong, after all,
 
Wrong, for two reasons. One, you can't prove a negative - any who's taken a first year formal logic course could tell you that. Two, you made the claim, therefore the burden of proof is yours - and you haven't come anywhere NEAR meeting that burden.
 
Beyond that, your continued use of the word "proof" in regards to scientific matters just demonstrates that you're ignorant of even basic scientific principles and practice.
 
I only believe, which implies my uncertainty of universal truths.
 
When you cling to a belief in supernatural agencies, despite the lack of ANY evidence for their existence, that's the point where your "mere" belief becomes dogmatic religious conviction.
 
And it's hilarious that you're attempting to pat yourself on the back for your "uncertainty of universal truths," when that's a characteristic that which is much more common among scientifically-minded secularists. That's one of the defining attributes of the scientific discipline - ever hear of the White Swan Fallacy?
 
"No amount of observations of white swans can allow the inference that all swans are white, but the observation of a single black swan is sufficient to refute that conclusion."
 
Compare that to fundamentalist Christianity, which values blind, unquestioning faith above all else.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/02/28 - 18:34 GMT
I don't get it.
 
You don't say.
 
You like all the evil figures in history, you abide by their insane philosophy at least.
 
Guilt by association fallacy.
 
They were so insane, 100,000,000 Christians payed with their lives. Why don't you want people like them behind bars, hmmm?
 
Unfounded assumption, based on a lazy (and clearly biased) characterization.
 
Come on, you're making this entirely too easy!
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/04 - 15:33 GMT
Again, you are such a good human being, you decide to insult me.
 
You are dismissing what the Atheist did and are doing to this day? They don't murder anyone?
 
What has been too easy?
 
To say an entire group of innocent people be dealt with for the good of society is an evil statement. To say it is easy for you to dismiss it, proves you are as bad as the people committing the genocide that you dogmatically deny.
 
You should mind your manners, your arrogance reeks.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/04 - 16:22 GMT
II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS 4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime

From here:  http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM
which is from here: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/04 - 16:24 GMT
"You are dismissing what the Atheist did and are doing to this day? They don't murder anyone?"
 
you REALLY ought to reread your history books if you think pol pot and moa did what they did because of atheism...and you should REALLY read Mein kampf and THEN think about calling hitler an atheist.
 
"What has been too easy?"
 
see above.
 
"To say an entire group of innocent people be dealt with for the good of society is an evil statement."
 
dealt with? what do you think we are proposing? locking up christians? puttign em into camps? if you think those kinds of things....you are brainwashed beyond comprehension.
 
"You should mind your manners, your arrogance reeks."
 
and you should answer my PM and get on skype. because you have a lot to aks atheists f2f, instead of just repeating this demonised fundementalist brainwashing.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/04 - 16:28 GMT
 
"which is from here: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/"
 
yes. and some of the reasoning on that site is blatantly false and idealistic.
 
but still
SKYPE
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/04 - 16:35 GMT
All you hear from Atheists is about the 1.000,000 murders in 3,000 years the Christians are responsible for and we are destroying the world and need to be dealt with. Yet, not a peep about the crimes of their own philosophy. And go as far to say those 100,000,000 are made up. Well let me ask you this, Atheists. You see we christians don't seem to be exterminating people anymore but they still claim us to be so dangerous, they need to do something about us. But the Atheists in China continue genocide as I write this. If The Atheists in China are murdering Christians, why don't you speak out? That's why you are guilty by association. I think you like them killing Christians. Or else, you would call genocide, the evil that it is.You are lucky we let you walk around in our land, knowing you want us all dead.
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/04 - 16:58 GMT
"All you hear from Atheists is about the 1.000,000 murders in 3,000 years the Christians are responsible for and we are destroying the world and need to be dealt with. Yet, not a peep about the crimes of their own philosophy."
 
ehm.. it's a lot more nuanced then that. it's not just the human capital loss of the darkages, it's the information loss and hampering progress.
 
but srly, no atheist bashing religion would use the deathtoll as his "main gun". it would apear you just picked an easy thign ro rebutt.
 
"Yet, not a peep about the crimes of their own philosophy"
 
this again?
ok, now you'll also have to explain.
HOW did atheism influence moa?
WHAT caused hitlers "godlessness" to turn him into a great dictator that hated jews?
go on. if you're going to make a statement, you're gonna have to back it up.
 
"And go as far to say those 100,000,000 are made up"
 
and WHEN did sci, or ANYONE OTHER ATHEIST for that matter, say that?
 
quote plz.
 
"You see we christians don't seem to be exterminating people anymore but they still claim us to be so dangerous,"
 
go to africa, still plenty of christian and muslim clashes and murders there...or i could just whip out the middle east for some good old jaweh inspired killing.
 
but again, it's not just the deathtoll. it's way more then that.
 
"they need to do something about us."
 
education perhaps? since that IS the best way to solve problems.
 
"But the Atheists in China continue genocide as I write this"
 
ehm...toaism, islam (yes they have that in china) and any form of ancestor whorship IS NOT ATHEISM.
you really ought to stop repeating this BS.
 
"If The Atheists in China are murdering Christians, why don't you speak out?"
 
i will speak out to the kiling of ANY human, regardless of race, gender or conviction.
 
oh, and again, fallacy of accociation...you really ought to actually read what sci writes. it's FALLACIOUS to say atheism causes the killings when it's not the motivation.
 
"I think you like them killing Christians"
 
WHUT?!
you sir, are sick. you've obviously spend to long in bible camp or somehting, because this is the most demonised statement i've read here yet.
 
"Or else, you would call genocide, the evil that it is"
 
did we say what hitler, the crusades and stalin did was ok?
no.
so quit putting word in our mouths, get over your anamosity and actually TALK instead of spamming the "repeat tape" button in your brain.
 
"You are lucky we let you walk around in our land, knowing you want us all dead."
 
my....it would almost appear that you want US dead....the irony..
 
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/04 - 23:05 GMT
Again, you are such a good human being, you decide to insult me.
 
I'd point you to the concept of responding in kind, but I suspect that would be wasted on you given that you haven't even demonstrated a grasp of the basic pre-requisites (like an undestanding of intellecual honesty and/or consistency).
 
Or, to put that in words that even ronnie could understand: you asked for it.
 
You are dismissing what the Atheist did and are doing to this day? They don't murder anyone?
 
Of course not. What I dismiss are your attempts to suggest that the relationship is anything more than a correlation (as opposed to causal), along with your subsequent attempts at using that "point" to smear all atheists with a broad brush.
 
There is a great deal of disparity within even just the individual Christian denominations - not to mention the various other Abrahamic faiths. So, given that there's even LESS formal association amongst individual atheists, why would you assume that atheism is some sort of monolithic, uniform bloc?
 
What has been too easy?
 
Pointing out the flaws in the jumbled collection of empty-rhetoric and logical fallacies that makes up the arguments (and I use that term loosely) that you've posted so far.
 
To say an entire group of innocent people be dealt with for the good of society is an evil statement. To say it is easy for you to dismiss it, proves you are as bad as the people committing the genocide that you dogmatically deny.
 
Uh, what? That's not even within stone's throw of the explit meaning (or even the implicit meaning) of what I posted. Are you just being disingenuous, or do you really have that much difficulty with reading for comprehension?
 
You should mind your manners,
 
Pot. Kettle. Black.
 
your arrogance reeks.
 
No, chuckles, that's condecension - which you've MORE than earned.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 0:01 GMT
Your kidding right? hmm your are mixing it up. educated idiot is the term that describes a person who thinks their education is the guage of extreme intelligence. You are just part of the new snooty class. Elitist anyone?
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 0:12 GMT
All you hear from Atheists is about the 1.000,000 murders in 3,000 years the Christians are responsible for and we are destroying the world and need to be dealt with.
 
False premise, supported only by your confirmation bias/unsubstantiated as you haven't quoted or cited even a single example to support your claim. Congratulations! It would appear you've demonstrated that strawmen, at least, can be "intelligently-designed".
 
Well let me ask you this, Atheists. You see we christians don't seem to be exterminating people anymore but they still claim us to be so dangerous, they need to do something about us.
 
Again, who says that? You've spent enough time beating up on that flimsy strawman - how about you try actually backing up, well... ANYTHING you've posted so far?
 
If The Atheists in China are murdering Christians, why don't you speak out?
 
Again, false and completely unsubstantiated premise used to prop your usual strawman arguments.
 
Don't look now, but their isn't exactly a shortage of people speaking out about stuff like that - and *gasp* some of those folks even hapen to be atheists, as hard as that may be for you comprehend. Of course, most of them probably speak out against ALL of the numerous human rights abuses committed in China, rather than focusing only on those attrocities commited against their "own people."
 
That's why you are guilty by association.
 
Wow! You've managed to express your fallacious reasoning with even less subtlety than ronnie. Now THAT is an accomplishment to be proud of. Your commitment to willful ignorance and intellectual dishonesty is impressive, to say the least.
 
I think you like them killing Christians.
 
Riiiight. In a month or two (assuming you don't tuck-tail between your legs and run away, like most of the creationists who've posted here), we'll probably be able to look back and pinpoint this as the exact moment when you went entirely off the rails.
 
You are lucky we let you walk around in our land, knowing you want us all dead.
 
...uh huh.
 
Just a wild guess here, but do you by any chance have a prescription for anti-pscyhotic medication or medication to treat paranoid delusions? Cause you might want to start taking it again.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 0:15 GMT
II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS 4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime
From here:  http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM
which is from here: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/
 
Number of causal links that mwolf has shown between those acts and atheism (despite being challenged to do so several times): zero.
 
Or, to put that another way:
 
YOU.
FAIL.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 0:24 GMT
These are the words of every Atheist, communist, socialist, progressive, anti capitalist . And notice, not a word about the murders his comrads had and are continuing to this day.
 
As long as you support the title of this post, you are as evil as the Atheists that have been killing us for over 100 years.
 
Do you think I give a crap about anything you say? Why should I? you support evil and slaughter by proxy and evident in your silence of real crimes. You would rather wage your war on little old me?
 
Why don't acknowledge the slaughter of Christians? Because you are like the people you refuse to admonish. After that, you can make your arguement it had nothing to do with Atheism. Until then, you are one of them and we all know it.
 
You see, the same Atheism that led stalin to do what he did is the same Atheism that led the writer to write what he wants to do. The same as another Atheist, Marx!!
 
Do you support the philsophy of Marx??? Do you have the guts to answer? You see, I think the world found out about communism and you folks have been hiding as sinsere Atheists. Cmon, tell us how we should get our land taken for the better of all.. say it!!!
 
You know you can't, why? Because everybody else is too stupid to understand. Or at least that's what you Atheists think.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 0:30 GMT
What to hell do you mean who says that!!!??
Look at the title of the post. Well??? Give me liberty or give me death!
 
he wants to put us in Gulags and you ask what the problem is!!
 
I'll tell you what, you come visit me and say what that title says and find out what will happen.
 
It's like me saying all Atheism has brought us are evil leaders who slaughter their populations and we need to go around right now kicking in the doors of very person who denounced God and through them in jail for what they would do.
 
Would you feel polite if you were I?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 0:43 GMT
All Atheists support evolution, and if that is the case then we must as humans, reduce the population and save our best genetics in order to survive. You also must believe that there are inferior races.  Else the evolutionary stand cannot be taken. Yes, every Atheist is a racist by proxy. Oh they'll do all they can to deny it but the reality is what it is. If you really think you are not a racist, then through Atheism in the trash brother.
 
You can find statements on the net. Some Atheists say "we need to get the population of earth under 250-500 thousand people!!! I heard the person say it on a video.
 
Christians believe we all came from the first 2, then the diversity came not evolution, but variation.  So in our philosophy, we are all brothers. In atheistic philosophy, they have to get rid of bad genetics or we would risk extiction.
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 0:48 GMT
You know Christisns have been slaughtered. I can bring up thousands of photos from all Atheistic lands, and countless videos. If you think 100,000,000 people haven't been murdered by Atheistic governments, then you are either evil or a complete ignoramus.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 0:50 GMT
They found scriptural text on a tablet 1000 BC now. Like all your Atheistic records, change your name that reflects the new truth.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 0:53 GMT
wow, you are a living breathing propaganda machine. You like Marx right? :)
They will believe anything comrad, if we repeat it enough. lol
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 0:59 GMT
it isn't blantantly false. you don't have any moral restrictions, you can't. everything is relative to you. Why should I believe you over anyone of my thousands of sources that support me? I think you are the one deceived and impossible to say anything that does jive with your indotrination. The commy's got you hook line and sinker. Christians are honest for the most part. Atheists lie through their teeth, that is what I learned. Global warming scam proved my point. The ends justifies them means. I don't believe in that. But they absolutely do. Their atheism demands it.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 1:04 GMT
You like Karl Marx?
 
Hey is China our friend? You like their system?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 1:12 GMT
Hey man, as far as I am concerned, we are all brothers. Look at the frigging title man! Now, I'll say it again. Anyone who supports the philosophy that led that person to write that title name is evil. Cause if the man saying that doesn't know it is evil to say what he said, then his philosophy is to blame now isn't it?
 
It's the same marx thought. the is no way to turn a man from God, unless you kill him. And that is just what he did. And what the guy who titled this article wants to do. And everyone is angry with me associating their evil philosophy with them. Well, if the shoe fits, were it. Or change to a better philosophy.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 1:25 GMT
I am not bragging. I am defending myself from a personal attack about my intelligence. You folks don't have strong philosophical arguements so you nit pic like a lawyer looking for a loophole to just make an arguement.
 
The title and body of the article is evil. Now you are either not evil and agree with me, or you are evil and disagree. The people who try to say it is neither fall under the evil catagory since they are trying to hide the reality of the arguement.
 
The man wants us in a gulag. What then? Not evil? I will get you guys to answer this, one way or another.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 1:34 GMT
Hitler was a national SOCIALIST and admired Darwin. Final solution ring a bell. Hitler was an Atheist, period. He is your boy.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 1:42 GMT
Look man. Atheists said everything can be explained naturalistically, but a paradox means it can't be explained. How the heck can anyone explain how an electron didn't hit it's target til the day after fired. the electron waited? all I am saying is that it means everything may not be natural and God is plausable from that point on. Now until they can find some way to change time without screwing up their formulas, God is possible.
 
To tell someone they only believe cause they are stupid is now the new stupid. because no one knows, and should talk like they don't know. Stop calling opinion settled science!!!!
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 1:43 GMT
And I know all Atheists are dishonest. How, because if they were honest they wouldn't be Atheists.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 1:44 GMT
Because this post was a long, rambling, barely-coherent mess of TL;DR, I've picked out only the comments that caused me physical pain (due to uncontrollable laughter).
 
As long as you support the title of this post, you are as evil as the Atheists that have been killing us for over 100 years.
 
Let me get this straight (not that you have ever demonstrated the guts to answer any direct questions, but just for the record): you're saying that holding the opinion that a group of people is "nuts" is equivalent to 100 years worth of attrtocities? Seriously?
 
That's possibly the most absurd, idiotic statement I've seen posted here yet - and given your stiff competition, that's an accomplishment.
 
Do you think I give a crap about anything you say?
 
And yet, you keep replying.
 
Why should I? you support evil and slaughter by proxy and evident in your silence of real crimes.
 
So if you haven't specifically condemned an act, that automatically means you support it?
 
I haven't seen you speaking out against people who throw babies into wood chippers while snorting coke off hookers, so I guess that means you must support that practice - according to YOUR own reasoning.
 
Do you support the philsophy of Marx???
 
Of course - particuarly when he said "hello, I must be going."
 
All Hail Marx and Lennon.
 
 
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 1:47 GMT
By the way, I am not comletely comfortable with some of those things that Christian wrote. But I could make good arguements to correct some of the things he assumes. But I think he truley believes it, not deceiving anyone. He has a write to his opinion with the worry of jail from some Atheistic mindset.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 1:48 GMT
You like Karl Marx?

Hey is China our friend? You like their system?
 
Tell me: do people smile, nod, and back away from you slowly on a regular basis?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 1:53 GMT
your there is no God hypothesis. If you are agnostic, then you have a good ground for an hypothesis. We don't need to talk. An agnostic will find what I found. An Atheist really is the brainwashed one. There is no way to be an atheist in light of the quantum paradox. The only thing you have left is to just admit you hate god. Atheism is an impossible logic.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 1:57 GMT
Why should I believe you over anyone of my thousands of sources that support me?
 
Sources? Try "source," singular - only one of your claims so far has actually cited a source. Everything else you've posted appears to have been pulled directly out of the, um, posterior opening of your alimentary canal.
 
I think you are the one deceived and impossible to say anything that does jive with your indotrination.
 
Translation: "I know you are, but what am I?"
 
Atheists lie through their teeth, that is what I learned.
 
A statement which itself appears to be a lie, since you fail to back it up.
 
Global warming scam proved my point.
 
 
The ends justifies them means. I don't believe in that. But they absolutely do. Their atheism demands it.

So, tell us, are you literally frothing at the mouth when you pound out those semi-coherent screeds?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 2:01 GMT
wow, you are a living breathing propaganda machine. You like Marx right? :)
 
The 1950s just called, they say the question you're looking for is:
 
"Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party of the United States?"
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 2:21 GMT
What to hell do you mean who says that!!!?? Look at the title of the post. Well??? Give me liberty or give me death!

he wants to put us in Gulags and you ask what the problem is!!
 
Um, the title of the post is "OMFG....These people are nuts." Nothing about gulags in there, Chuckles.
 
Perhaps if you bothered to quote the specific portion of the post that you're referring to, we might have some idea what in the hell you're talking about.
 
I'll tell you what, you come visit me and say what that title says and find out what will happen.
 
Sure, you pay for my travel (1st class only) and accomodations (four-star minimum) and you have a deal.
 
But before you call your travel agent, you might want to make sure that you understand the difference between the title of a thread/post - and the opening post OF a thread.
 
It's like me saying all Atheism has brought us are evil leaders who slaughter their populations and we need to go around right now kicking in the doors of very person who denounced God and through them in jail for what they would do.
 
That's not much of a hypothetical, it almost exactly describes your posting record here.
 
Would you feel polite if you were I?
 
I would simply conclude that you're a fanatic with delusions of persecution who spews vitriol and hyperbole because you're too uneducated, immature, or just plain witless to take part in honest, civil debate.
 
Or, in a word, a "creationist".
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 2:31 GMT
You know Christisns have been slaughtered. I can bring up thousands of photos from all Atheistic lands, and countless videos. If you think 100,000,000 people haven't been murdered by Atheistic governments, then you are either evil or a complete ignoramus.
 
Once again, you're arguing against strawmen.
 
And, for about 6th or 7th time, you fail to grasp the difference between correlation and cause.
 
In other words, you're following the standard creationist cycle on these threads:
 
- post an idiotic, unsubstantiated claim
- then, when someone challenges you to back it up, run away or just dodge the point
- and a day or two later (or in your case, 20 minutes later), post the same claim again and start the cycle all over
 
And that sort of intellectual cowardice seems to be the rule rather than the exception for creationists.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 2:40 GMT
Hitler was a national SOCIALIST and admired Darwin. Final solution ring a bell. Hitler was an Atheist, period. He is your boy.
 
Thank you for demonstrating, once again, why comparisons to Hitler are the last resort of the desperate (especially when you depend on lies, since he was actually a Catholic). When that's the best you can come up with, you've effectively admitted defeat.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 2:42 GMT
And I know all Atheists are dishonest. How, because if they were honest they wouldn't be Atheists.
 
You're really starting to sound desperate and bitter, Mikey. Did us big mean Atheists [sic] hurt your poor widdle feelings?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 2:56 GMT
Look man. Atheists said everything can be explained naturalistically, but a paradox means it can't be explained.
 
False dichotomy (or outright lie) - no one with any clue would claim that everything can be explained. It's funny that you keep referencing quantum physics, yet you clearly don't understand one of its most basic & fundamental aspects (the Uncertainty Principle).
 
How the heck can anyone explain how an electron didn't hit it's target til the day after fired. the electron waited? all I am saying is that it means everything may not be natural and God is plausable from that point on.
 
Also knon as the "God of the gaps" argument. The obvious problem is that possibility is not likeliehood (and, for that matter, the result you mention does nothing to make that possiblity "more/less" possible).
 
To tell someone they only believe cause they are stupid is now the new stupid. because no one knows, and should talk like they don't know.
 
For some reason, I'm suddenly reminded of quote: "That question was less stupid, but you still managed to express it in a profoundly stupid way."
 
Stop calling opinion settled science!!!!
 
And now you're just tilting at windmills, not that I expect you to get the reference.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 3:11 GMT
All Atheists support evolution, and if that is the case then we must as humans, reduce the population and save our best genetics in order to survive.
 
In other words, you don't understand the difference between the theory of evolution and eugenics programs. Wow, just... wow - the level of ignorance on display here is just astounding.
 
You also must believe that there are inferior races.
 
Because...? This ought to be good.
 
And no, stating that same lie over and over again won't make it any less of a lie.
 
  Else the evolutionary stand cannot be taken. Yes, every Atheist is a racist by proxy. Oh they'll do all they can to deny it but the reality is what it is. If you really think you are not a racist, then through Atheism in the trash brother.
 
You really are getting desperate to find any lie or excuse to smear atheists. And still, you're too much of a coward to even attempt to back up your claims in any way, shape, or form.
 
You can find statements on the net. Some Atheists say "we need to get the population of earth under 250-500 thousand people!!! I heard the person say it on a video.
 
In other words, you're blindly repeating a second-hand claim from a video created by a convicted fraud. There's a credible source!
 
Christians believe we all came from the first 2, then the diversity came not evolution, but variation.  So in our philosophy, we are all brothers. In atheistic philosophy, they have to get rid of bad genetics or we would risk extiction.
 
So you can't tell the difference between atheism, evolution, or eugenics. You clearly don't even have the first clue what you're talking about - why should anyone take you seriously?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 3:13 GMT
They found scriptural text on a tablet 1000 BC now.
 
And...? If I find a really early manuscript of the Lord of the Rings, does that mean that Orcs and Ents actually existed?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 9:31 GMT
" hmm your are mixing it up. educated idiot is the term that describes a person who thinks their education is the guage of extreme intelligence."

....if you have the intelligence, you much easier excell in education and you're also much more willing to get more of it.

it has somehtign to do with WANTING TO LEARN.

so YES, in such a way you can use the amount of educationa person recieved to gauge their intlligence.
of course you could also have them write an essay..

"You are just part of the new snooty class. Elitist anyone?"

anti-intellectualism anyone?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 9:48 GMT
"These are the words of every Atheist, communist, socialist, progressive, anti capitalist ."

ok i'm gettign the slight feeling that this is just POE.
but if it's not.
HOW ABOUT WE ACTUALLY DISCUSS WHAT WE TINK INSTEAD OF YOU PUTTING WORDS IN OUR MOUTHS.

"As long as you support the title of this post, you are as evil as the Atheists that have been killing us for over 100 years."

have you watched the docu "bible camp" ?
did you not notice the severe....abuse i would almost say, that those kids are being subjected too.

"Do you think I give a crap about anything you say? Why should I?"

because you are a christian and it is your duty to be compassionate. and if you WERE, you would make the dam effort to actualy try to understand others.

but hey, you kight aswell be one of "those christians".

" You would rather wage your war on little old me? "

the insane irony being that it is YOU who has been wielding the war rethoric here, not us.

'Why don't acknowledge the slaughter of Christians?"

???? when did we deny it?
or are you confusign the fact that we care as much for all OTHER people then for you.
like i said, i will not discriminate on base or race, religion or gender, or sexuality for that matter.
we are all human. time you understood that.

'Because you are like the people you refuse to admonish'

are you comparing me or sci, or ellman, or any other atheist to stalin, moa or the likes? because if you are, HOW ABOUT YOU ACTUALLY BACK UP SUCH AN comparison.

"The same as another Atheist, Marx!!"

have you read what marx has written on religion? because he was actually really generous on it's influence on the proletariat.

'Do you support the philsophy of Marx??? "

marx his idea's are out to date now, and we're in basis inapplicable to china, and most of russia at the time.

do you even know what his idea's were?

" think the world found out about communism and you folks have been hiding as sinsere Atheists."

POE...almost 96% sure...

'Cmon, tell us how we should get our land *edit* changed *end edit* for the better of all.. say it!!!"

i think this is a response that might be of more use to you,

adopt social serviced that help the less well of people, so you can turn them into more valuable memebrs of society.
or to give an example. tech gangsters IT skills, or get them involved into local projects so they get a real job and stop getting themselves involved in crime.


the dutch term for tese kinds of services is "sociaal vangnet".
i don;t know the english term tho.

"You know you can't, why?"

it would appear that i just did O_O


" Because everybody else is too stupid to understand. Or at least that's what you Atheists think."

what? english is to hard to understand?
quit putting words in our mouths.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 9:54 GMT
"he wants to put us in Gulags and you ask what the problem is!!"

eh, do you understand the meaning of humor?
is it that hard to understand the addid bonus of exaggeration to highlight a point?

"I'll tell you what, you come visit me and say what that title says and find out what will happen."

i'll tell you what. you get on skype, and you might learn something.

"Would you feel polite if you were I?"

you've already been saying the first part for the better part of the discussion....so that question is kind of useless.

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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 10:02 GMT
'who supports the philosophy that led that person to write that title name is evil."

you appear to have NOT read any of drworms posts.
or did you miss the fact that he is deliberately beign drue and making the gay jokes?

you should ask him in a PM or something if he really is serious about that.....and what kinds of camps he is referrign to if you so feel like it.

"Cause if the man saying that doesn't know it is evil to say what he said, then his philosophy is to blame now isn't it?"

no.
his ignorance and lack of understanding is.
at least most of the time. like the christian bashing atheist because he thinks they are all communist nazi's (what is ironic because it's impossible)

'the is no way to turn a man from God, unless you kill him."

...go ask a person who "lost his faith" about that. perhaps you would be suprised.


"And that is just what he did"
who? marx?

"And what the guy who titled this article wants to do"

well you seem to have a pretty rigid definition of the word "camps".

guess they are also gassing children in summer camps, or depriving people of nurishment in bootcamps.
or to put it simpler. you read to much into that there.

'And everyone is angry with me associating their evil philosophy with them'

you haven't even taken the effort to understand WHY we are agnry at you. how about you do that first.

"And everyone is angry with me associating their evil philosophy with them. "

REREAD.
or better yet, skype.


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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 10:06 GMT
' I am defending myself from a personal attack about my intelligence. "

yet you show a severe lack of of interest in actually rebuttign us when you are "defending" yourself. since you are constanty resortign to strawmen and don't actually read what we find so diplorable about your statements.


"You folks don't have strong philosophical arguements so you nit pic like a lawyer looking for a loophole to just make an arguement."

skype, try me, that would save us a lot of time typing.


' Now you are either not evil and agree with me, or you are evil and disagree."

"your either WITH or against us!"
we all know where that mentality led....do you see the irony here?

"The man wants us in a gulag. What then? Not evil?"

if it were serious, yes. evil.
but it is quite clear form drworms postign history and the actual content and context of the atricle and the issue it deals with, that he is not serious.

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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 10:07 GMT
"And I know all Atheists are dishonest. How, because if they were honest they wouldn't be Atheists."

oh, so NOW IM DISHONEST AM I?

i better grab my bible and look up that passage about not bearign false witness and not judging...

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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 10:19 GMT
"All Atheists support evolution, and if that is the case then we must as humans, reduce the population and save our best genetics in order to survive."

HAHAHAHAHA.

that is blatantly false.
WE do not select. we GET selected by our environment.
BIOLOGY FAIL.

"You also must believe that there are inferior races. "

BIOLOGY FAIL.
advantages or disadvantages do not mean inferiority or superiority.

"Else the evolutionary stand cannot be taken."
sais the man apparenlty who shows a SEVERE lack of understanding on the subject.


'Yes, every Atheist is a racist by proxy"

...how about you actually say that to my face..over a mic.

"Oh they'll do all they can to deny it but the reality is what it is."

0% understanding, 100% ignorant accuations.

'If you really think you are not a racist, then through Atheism in the trash brother."

do you want me to explain how extremelty wrong that advice is?

"we need to get the population of earth under 250-500 thousand people!!! I heard the person say it on a video."

SOURCE.

"Christians believe we all came from the first 2, then the diversity came not evolution, but variation."

it is evolution that creates that variation...seriously...please at least try to research what you are tryign to bash.

'So in our philosophy, we are all brothers."

let me up this.
according to evolution EVERY livign thing on earth, is a brother.
since we are all the x th generation of that first replicating cell."

"In atheistic philosophy, they have to get rid of bad genetics or we would risk extiction. "

no, actually nature does that for us.
or does the term natural selection not ring a bell?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 10:23 GMT
"Hitler was a national SOCIALIST"

and suddenly socialism =atheism?
tha tis so asinine i won't even bother to adress it (it has already been done so many times).

"and admired Darwin"

hitler spat on the very notuion of natural selection.
otherwise he wouldn't have been so paranoid on the jews persisting.
diversity is the key to long temr succes, trying to keep youself "pure" will mean your demise in the long run.


'Hitler was an Atheist, period. He is your boy. "

so i see you have not read mein kampf.
great.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 10:28 GMT
"If you are agnostic, then you have a good ground for an hypothesis. "

no, if you are agnostic you actually think that we do not know and possibly that we might never know.

i am for example an agnostic atheist.

"We don't need to talk'

oh i think we do.

" There is no way to be an atheist in light of the quantum paradox."

yes, there is. this universe has properties. POW. need not assume no more.

'The only thing you have left is to just admit you hate god."

i also hate the invisable gnome on your shoulder :) (i've already adressed this).


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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 10:38 GMT
"it isn't blantantly false. you don't have any moral restrictions, you can't. "

LOOOOOL?!?
wtf.
how about your concious? or the biological leash?
more christian ignorance./...nice..

'everything is relative to you."

and that sudddenly means there are no boundries, no code of conduct? if you think that...there is something seriously wrong with you.

' Why should I believe you over anyone of my thousands of sources that support me?"

and those sources would be?
*LIST*

" Christians are honest for the most part"

possibly, but not you. otherwise you would actually try to have a discussion. or at least not put words in our mouths.

'The ends justifies them means"

partially true. but when it comes to big issues like global climate...it get reallly complex.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 10:49 GMT
"Atheists said everything can be explained naturalistically"

yes. since we have no reason to assume there is anything OUTSIDE of this universe. hence we cannot adopt supernatural explinations...but that doesn't mean we say that we know everything or that we can know everything.

"but a paradox means it can't be explained."

no, it means we cannot be sure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox#Resolving_the_paradox
better yet.

"all I am saying is that it means everything may not be natural and God is plausable from that point on."

how plausible and on what basis.
THAT is what concerns atheists.and that is WHY WE ARE atheists.

'To tell someone they only believe cause they are stupid is now the new stupid. "

no, actually ignorance is a good way of sustaining faith.
look at santa. kids will keep buying that as long as you don't tell em, or as long as they don't find out.

"because no one knows, and should talk like they don't know."

which is what you are doing when you say there IS a god.

"Stop calling opinion settled science!!!!"

saying there is, or there is no god. was never science to being with.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/05 - 14:45 GMT
Yes, every Atheist is dishonest. To say their is no God is dishonest. You can only say there may be no God or I believe there is no God. To claim to be an Atheist is to answer questions, unanswerable. Read about the pascalian wager.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 15:01 GMT
He is the one running around with a false statement as a name. But 1000 bc tells us the profacies of the Bible were not written after the events like all you Atheists claimed. You see we know now the bible fortold of things yet to happen. And then happened. Atheist said it was because the bible was written after Jesus. Not a peep now from the Atheists about that debacle. We'll hear later how Jesus fulfilled the profacies by reading the Bible. Which we can also prove false.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 15:30 GMT
Now we are getting down to the nitty gritty. Do you support:
 
1 marx?
 
2 communism?
 
I know you were joking, but you didn't answer the question. They way you wrote it, you left a choice of both answers so, please clairfy.
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 15:50 GMT
I am not bragging. I am defending myself from a personal attack about my intelligence.
 
And, to you, that seemed like a better approach than... oh, say, trying to express yourself intelligently?
 
You folks don't have strong philosophical arguements so you nit pic like a lawyer looking for a loophole to just make an arguement.
 
Riiiiiight. While you, on the other hand, are clearly a master debater.
 
The title and body of the article is evil. Now you are either not evil and agree with me, or you are evil and disagree.
 
Evil? You're taking his post WAAAAY too seriously, he was obviously trolling - in other words, he's being deliberately inflammatory for shits-and-giggles, or just to get a rise out of people.
 
And by taking the post seriously, you fell for one of the more stupid and obvious trolls I've seen in a long time - hook, line, and sinker.
 
I will get you guys to answer this, one way or another.
 
...while you repeatedly dodge every question that others here have posed to you. Yep, that's the good old creationist "consistency" we've come to know and love.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 15:55 GMT
wow, look who goes to the phoney Bible for retribution. lol
 
I do sin. When I die, I believe I would go to hell at this time. If you can't admit you are a bad person, you can never become good.
 Like vengeance is supposed to be the lords. I forgot that when a guy threatened my son. I am not better than anyone, I just don't hide my shortcomings.
 
But I will maintain the every Atheist is dishonest. And I am not bearing false witness.
 
Gees, look at your name. It could have been ignorance. But from this point on, it's dishonest if you leave it. Because I told you of the news that we have found a 1000 BC tablet of scriptural text.
 
You should research it.
 
Atheism is the evil that has eaten good for centuries. That's why communists are afraid to say who they are. Not because they have no freedom of speech, but because of the blood trail. And whenever you get to the bottom of things, Atheists are communist,democrat,socialist,progressive,liberal, etc.  Atheism is not science folks, it's politics. And the Christian democrats are the useful idiots Marx talks about. In other words the democratic party has been coopted be these folks over the years, on purpose as a plan to undermine capitalism, or God if you may.
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 16:01 GMT
I read the part about how he thought darwin had it right. Now if darwin had it right in Hitler's mind, Then we know any religion in Hitler's words are to minipulate the masses.
 
Like the democrats here. You think Gore believes in God like he says? NO!! Obama? nope. reed? nope, They are Atheists, they say they are Christians so they get votes, like Hitler.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 16:28 GMT
Your sources are Atheist proganda machines.
 
The answers to the universe are unknown, Atheism is not able to exist, if it does, it is dishonest at it's core.
 
Read a new history book, they all lie. Those books are put tegether explicitly to propgandize children to become Atheist. Lies, repeated by you and your ilk.
 
Atheist are the bad guys. Get rid of atheists and you get rid of mass evil.
It's not the people who are evil as much as the philosophy makes them evil over time, always and without fail.
 
Name one Atheist ruler and I can show you their trail of blood.
 
These people will attack me here, like they care about liing. lol
 
They are so upset at my evil. Yet all you see in our society is Atheistic propaganda, they make stuff up, they lie, cheat, sneak, and steal.  And if you become an Atheist, you will be pulled down to that level eventually or let Atheism go and become open minded.
 
Like when a man writes an article on how 65% of the population should be put away, any you loving Atheists see nothing wrong with it? Dishonest? absolutely. Evil, yes. If I am wrong. Then denounce that and prove you are honest.
 
remeber folks, generally speaking, children become Atheists, adults become Christian.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 16:34 GMT
"To say their is no God is dishonest."
 
demonstrate that their is somethign first before you choose to acknowledge it's existence.
 
when atheists say there is no god. it simply means they do not have sufficient evidence to accept the claim, just like saying unicorns do not exist.
 
"You can only say there may be no God or I believe there is no God"
 
it comes down to the same thing when the reasoning BEHIND the statement is given.
 
"To claim to be an Atheist is to answer questions, unanswerable."
 
no, you seem to mistake positive atheism with ALL atheism.
alsothere are certain properties in assigned to jaweh, which are internally inconsistant. thus making it IMPOSSIBLE for him to exist if he is portrayed 100% accurately in the bible.
 
" Read about the pascalian wager."
 
and then have me point out you're STILL screwed even if you are a chrisitian?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 16:41 GMT
"But 1000 bc tells us the profacies of the Bible were not written after the events like all you Atheists claimed."
 
can you source that claim, because i have a feeling you simply read a title of an article and applied it to all the prophecies.
 
"You see we know now the bible fortold of things yet to happen."
 
like it all those cities that weren't utterly destroyed like predicted in the OT?
 
"Atheist said it was because the bible was written after Jesus."
 
if you cna pick and choose, well ya, it becomes easier.
imagine how many prophecies they could ahve omitted....alexandria any1?
 
"We'll hear later how Jesus fulfilled the profacies by reading the Bible.
Which we can also prove false."
 
indeed, how can a man read somethign after he is dead for several decades.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 16:44 GMT
I only believe. Why? Because of the quantum paradox. As long as naturalism has a paradox, a creator is plausable.
 
You find the evidence that there is no God first. I'd rather believe the Bible until then. I am going to try an experiment with flipping coins and a camera to see if the paradox can be found to occur right before our eyes.
 
What made me doubt my Atheism was this...
 
If it is we who break down the wave function, then how could evolution be possible? evolution says we came last. How would the wave function breakdown without us? Then I read the spirit of God moved upon the earth. If God was here to breakdown the wave function, then the universe could exist. God said, and it was. You see, it is possible for us not to be here first with a creator here already to make waves into real matter.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 16:48 GMT
"
1 marx?
 
2 communism?"
 
you have showed a severe lack of understanding on both these concepts.
 
answer this will be a long process with plenty of oppertunities for you to quotemine and rant (inferrign from you previous post history). i'd much rather answer this over a mic when it's easier to fully clarify my position AND clarify what acommunism actually is and what marx wrote, and did not write.
 
"I know you were joking,"
 
joking where, quote plz.
 
"you left a choice of both answers so, please clairfy."
 
i find it funny you ask for "support", when you know fullwell that this concept is really broad and there are easily some parts i would like to see implemented, and some parts i would not.
 
minimum wage for example. or free schooling for all. or even communal child care.
 
and as for marx. i can agree with him on soem points and disagree on others. so same thing there.
this wolrd isn't blakc and white, it's one big slab of grey.
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 16:56 GMT
it's the future man. It could mean, humans will do away with names. Maybe the "man" spoke of was the first or one who starts this. But that doesn't make too much sense either. But I'll tell you what, if the Bible was made up to con people, why all these things that seem impossible to us.
 
If you want to con people, your story has to be believable to some extent. I mean 900 year old people? all the miracles. etc
 
Seems to me the men writing the Bible believed what they were writing.
 
And the bracheosaurous is written about in the bible.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 17:11 GMT
"wow, look who goes to the phoney Bible for retribution."
 
oy, YOU are the one who professes himself to eb a christian, and yet you don't evne try to act on one of it's core tennants a tennant that ISN'T only constricted to your faith, but to your social insticts (empathy, curiosity).

"If you can't admit you are a bad person, you can never become good."
 
first good statement i've heard from you so far....keep it up.
 
" Like vengeance is supposed to be the lords. I forgot that when a guy threatened my son. I am not better than anyone, I just don't hide my shortcomings."
 
yet you do not try to improve them. you almost instictively hide behind a parnoid shield and fling rant after rant at people, then turn a deaf ear when they respond....or hell, even reach out to you.
 
"But I will maintain the every Atheist is dishonest. And I am not bearing false witness."
 
well ya, unfortunately your flawed reasoning that the rejection of a claim on basis of lack of evidence as aposed to stating with absolute certainty that soemthing doesn't exist, isn't goign to cut it agaisnt people.
 
you still lie when you call atheist dishonest for not accepting the "god hypothesis" on lack of evidence.
and if that doesn't cut it for you then your STILL a lier for calling hitler an atheist, when it's so clear form his own words and actions that he was not. and i'm not even goign to go into your erronious statements on ToE.
 
"Gees, look at your name. It could have been ignorance."
 
no, the translated version you read IS derived from the selcted and canonised works of early christian and jewish sect, compiled on a popular vote by roman priests.
there is no way around this. it's fact.
 
there is also no way round the apparent "pro roman" (pilate from the OT does not fit the historical decription) feel of the NT. which is clear evidence that it was indeed formulated FOR a roman population.
 
"Because I told you of the news that we have found a 1000 BC tablet of scriptural text."
 
and would you mind sourcing that?
and EVEN IF one part of the bible was accurately depicted in the OT, it doesn't just make the ENTIRE work historically accurate.

"You should research it."
 
unfortunately accedemic etiquette states that the person making the claim must proved the source....so you obligation.
 
"Atheism is the evil that has eaten good for centuries.That's why communists are afraid to say who they are"
 
and more dribble.
sryl, if you lived in europe you would get your ass laughed off by the scandinavians. you do realize we have substantially larger porions of atheist and agnostics in europe right? and this place isn't exactly hell on earth.
 
"but because of the blood trail."
 
and possible because people don't adopt a system that is untenable? no one would run a system that was flawed from the get go. trying t isolate yourself from the world cannot work nowaday with all the information infrastructure there is.
look at china, they are having enough problem as it is tryign to keep the amount of dissident down.
 
" And whenever you get to the bottom of things, Atheists are communist,democrat,socialist,progressive,liberal,"
 
which are not the smae thing?
also there are plenty of politacally right atheists too, it's just that the US has sucha  large stima with an religious right demonising all those "non believers".
and you make it sound as if democrats, socialists and porgressives are BAD thing. when you probalby don't even understand these concepts fully.
 
".  Atheism is not science folks,"
 
fortunately no one said it was.
 
"it's politics"
 
eeeey....we could argue about that.
you know...how the US has these bills that prohibit atheist from holding certain political offices...
 
"And the Christian democrats are the useful idiots Marx talks about."
 
you mean the people we have to thank for the abolisment of child labour, slavery and minimum wage requirements?
 
" on purpose as a plan to undermine capitalism,"
 
you understand that capitalism isn't resticted to the laissez faire capitalism the republicans are endorsing right?
 
"or God if you may."
 
is this going to be a rant about separation of church and state?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 17:18 GMT
we found scroll fragments in paleo hebrew. the had few words and no vowels. More knowledge has been gained and some things are reinterpreted as being more correct so to speak. But decided to not change anything as to preserve without changing. After all, did you folks know that it is now the jewish writing that are oldest on earth. Summarians are not older but direct descenants of noah.
 
All other religions are from the old testament. Everyone of them left the original by making up what they as humans wanted it to say. They are all false. Some Atheist said the "chinese are the oldest stupid." The I had to tell him about noahs story being part their language symbols. Really.
 
Folks, you don't realize this. We found scrolls that match our king james text exactly. So here we are 3000 years later and our book we say is the real mccoy, matches what those jewish people's scrolls and tablets word for word. That my friends is a miracle in and of itself.
 
The Bible is an accurate historical document. Now I know you atheists thinking that them liing Jews are liars. I think you are the liars.
 
I know a lot of people saying they believe. But just use God to put themselves in a better light. So i can see why Atheists may think us all as having small minds. They've become all knowing because of their confidence and closemindedness.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 17:20 GMT
"I read the part about how he thought darwin had it right."
 
which would be where? hitler profoundly misunderstood what the term "fittest" meant as described by darwin, and used in biology.
 
"Now if darwin had it right in Hitler's mind"
 
actually the concept of the strong cullign the weak was there LONG before darwin. he simply demonstrated how that, and other mechanisms had shaped life.
 
"Then we know any religion in Hitler's words are to minipulate the masses."
 
??? and HOW did you reach that conclusion?
 
hitler almost eminates a certain "divine rightiousness" when he speaks.
 
yes he tapped into the deep seeded christian hate against jews (brought on by the church, luther and the capital difference),
and yes he infused a sort of "holy message" into his campains to better motivate his people.
but that is not the reason i say he was rligiously inspired.
i say it because he WAS raised a catholic and he made it quite clear he a "greater purpose" for a new third "reich" (like the previous hoyl german empire) and he even sais he thinks he's doing god work.
 
to brush this of as simple "sheeple manipulation" is just to easy.
 
"You think Gore believes in God like he says? NO!! Obama? nope. reed? nope, They are Atheists"
 
...god is a much larger concept then you like it to be.
by your definition pantheist are atheists, and so are desits.
 
"they say they are Christians so they get votes, like Hitler."
 
actually hitler had much bigger playing card then faith, card like economical depression, scapegoats and an age old vendetta.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 17:33 GMT
"
Your sources are Atheist proganda machines.
 "
 
which would be the text books from my dutch gymnasium (higher type of highschool in NL)? i do not think so.
 
"Atheism is not able to exist, if it does, it is dishonest at it's core."
 
again you confuse atheism with positive atheism of ALL gods.
 
"Read a new history book, they all lie."
...
ok now this is getting ridiculus.
 
"Those books are put tegether explicitly to propgandize children to become Atheist."
 
and yet they didn't preassure me....wow.
i don't think you know what books i used.
 
"Lies, repeated by you and your ilk."
 
why thank you.....
 
"Atheist are the bad guys"
 
or are you labelign all "bad guys" atheists?
i think it's the latter.
 
"Get rid of atheists and you get rid of mass evil."
 
DARK AGES.
 
"It's not the people who are evil as much as the philosophy makes them evil over time, always and without fail."
 
so you call me evil? evil dispite of the fact i diliberatly chose a science education with the main motivator of helping people?
 
my my, i would now really like to know what kidns of saints the "good guys" are in your eyes.
 
"Name one Atheist ruler and I can show you their trail of blood."
 
and then what? you forget you still have to demonstrate that it was atheism that made them make that trai of blood. untill you do that, i have no need to answer that.
 
" And if you become an Atheist, you will be pulled down to that level eventually or let Atheism go and become open minded."
 
and the alrgest percentages of atheism occur in the best educated people, the people doing the research which is used to better mankinds knowledge and therefor it's future.
 
"Like when a man writes an article on how 65% of the population should be put away, any you loving Atheists see nothing wrong with it?"
 
article? if you mean Drworm, then you know it was a troll.
 
if it were actually serious i would call that author out on his BS.
 
" If I am wrong. Then denounce that and prove you are honest."
 
sias the man who puts words in our collective mouth.
 
"remeber folks, generally speaking, children become Atheists, adults become Christian."
 
adults become and muslim, and scientologist. and of course lets al ignore the people who drop their faith and adopt theism, pantheism or agnosticism....
 
but srly...religion is mainly spread from parent to child.
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 17:43 GMT
Science teachers keep teaching the things that have changed. like why do they still teach about the fraud of hinkle's embrios. still in some new editions.
 
900ad was the earleist Biblical manuscripts until the dead sea scrolls. Now there are others also. now Biblical manuscripts go back to 1000BC on tablets.
 
So, extinct means they could exist, but as long as we don't see them, they don't exist? You are kidding right?
 
The only HONEST thing you could say is, we don't know if anything is extinct in reality. But atheists are dishonest and will make up an arguement and call it science.
 
You see, in every aspect of science, Atheist do this.
 
If evolution is true, then it is impossible for a Ceolacanth to have stayed exactly the same for 140 million years. It could not withstand the genetic defect accumulation. Same with all the other organisms found. All exactly the same right in the middle of the so called explosion.
 
Let's look at it logically. If evolution is true, why is there only extinction? If at all. why isn't diversity growing like evolution demands?
Trillions of fruitfly generations of breeding and not a single non-fruitfly. They are still funding this debachery. Wouldn't the money be better spent trying to feed some of the people of the world? Of how fruitflies used to be so big compared to now. But they ain't using money for such needless things. Aren't Atheist so great?
 
You Atheists sure the world in not 3 trillion years old? lol
Oh, ic, the magnetic field of the earth would have killed everything only 50,000 years ago. and if we go another 50,000 years, we'll start floating into space. Because of our disappearing magnetic field.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 17:45 GMT
mike. they don't care about truth. they just want to keep you busy so that you won't become a soul winner for christ.

The quotes below are so true when it comes to Bible haters. They are so afraid of the rapid growth of Christianity that the only way they know to try and stop it is to try to get you to waste your time.

The quotes below are from the following sites: http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/forum/christian_warning.htm

"2. Evolutionists will try to lead you into endless debate(s), and they will more often than not succeed! They will always, almost without exception, get the last word. They will be relentless. This is all part of getting you to waste your time, which the spiritual enemy just loves to see you do (the evolutionist person does not necessarily love that they waste your time, many are probably unaware of the demonic influence on them)."

"Evolutionists believe what they do despite any evidence presented to them. They are firmly committed to a worldview that removes accountability. Without exception, I have found that the committed evolutionist activist is always, I mean always, socially liberal. This ubiquitous connection overwhelmingly establishes the fact that you will likely never convince them, because it is not evidence but worldview that drives them; they simply do not want to be convinced."
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 17:59 GMT
ok, I see, you support the camps as long as their good camps. You ain't no liar no.
 
If you support putting christians in camps, you are evil and Christians should go to war if you folks thing this way. Do you all agree with the poster of hate?
 
Marx said about turning a man from God, not me man. It is also the conclusion you will come to if you remain an Atheist.
 
But if you agree with camps, then you have already committed genocide.
yes. I am accusing you of being evil if you support camps for people you think you are better than.
 
I think atheists would have been the ones in the oven if what atheist always say about christians were true.
but i digress.
 
what they say about the evil of our philosophy is the evil their very own philosophy plays out time and time again. And still claim there is an Atheist Utopia to be had. Every time they get power, they exterminate opposition, just llike the poster wants to do to Christians.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 18:08 GMT
nope. Agnostic is agnostic. Atheism is a belief not a fact. Cristianity is a belief. Either is agnostic as evident by the word believe. But if you want people in jail for what they believe, the you are by proxy taking an non-agnostic position, or else how does he know? He's agnostic right? lol
 
You guys are so full of crap. If you want people in camps, you are evil not agnostic.
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 18:20 GMT
Oh, before the dead sea scrolls. manuscripts dated back only 900 AD. I believe the oldest scroll about 300 BC. However there is a tablet that's been found of biblical scripture dating back to 1,000 BC now, Not done all testing yet from what I read. But look up what all the so called scientists were saying before the 1970's. They were beating Christians over the head about how it was fake cause there was too much time removed from the origin to be authentic.
 
Inaccurate, biased account to back up a point with no relevance.
 
Like how can you say something is extinct when a large part of the world is unexplored. 
 
Already addressed (White Swan Fallacy).
 
Ceolacanth anyone? Remember how it was scientifically impossible for it to go 140 million years and not change 1 bit.
 
Wrong again - there are significant differences between fossil "Ceolacanth" [sic] and living specimens.
 
Although I must say it's hilarious that you would resort to an argument which requires you to accept that the Earth is millions of years old.
 
I remember reading before, the bible was being called fake because those smart Atheist said the universe was static and infinite and beat Christians over the head with that. Hubble proved the universe is expanding and finite.
 
Wrong, the universe has not been shown to be finite ("What was there before the Big Bang and what is there outside of our universe?"). Two, the Big Bang doesn't support Christian Dogma - to paraphrase Stephen Hawking, "our current understanding of the universe doesn't remove the possiblity of God, but it does impose serious limits on when and how He could have acted."
 
Oh, and apparently you aren't aware that most Young Earth Creationists hate the Big Bang theory even more than they hate evolution.
 
Atheists are good at making things up that you can't check on yet and call it fact, time and time again.
 
Pot. Kettle. Black. Hell, even DrWorm has done a better job of substantiating his claims than you have - and he's just trolling.
 
And what do you know, those gobal scammers, all marxist Atheists.
 
BZZT, wrong yet again. That's the great thing about sweeping, absolutist statements: it only takes one counter-example to completely debunk your claim (off the top of my head, Robert Heinlein or Ayn Rand - good luck trying argue that they're Marxists).
 
They are allowed to deceive you see, there's no God to say they can't. Pity for the world.
 
Let me guess, this is part of your petition to join the "Pathological Liars for Jesus" society?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 18:40 GMT
Yes, I keep hearing you Atheists saying how we as a people have to do something about the Christian problem. Richard Dawkins, (your hero, right?) said. Christians are either stupid, insane, or, evil.
 
Christianity is the cause of all the evils in the world. salem which trials, the crusaders, startvation, greed, and on and on and on.
 
I see a post here that wants to put us in camps and not a single Atheist had a problem with it.
 
When I point out they are evil if they agree with the premise, they tell me there are many kinds of good camps too. You are all f@!@#g liars. And anyone who agrees with his evil proclamation is also evil. I can't help it you guys don't know good from evil. But what he said was evil man. I will die trying to kill any son of a gun trying to put me away for my sound thoughts. Any of you want to come get me for the betterment of the world, bring it on!!
 
Why do you people want us put away if you are agnostic? You say you are not liars? I am bearing false witness?
 
You see, I don't need to listen to all the people you folks been listening to. You think it's learning and education, I see it as evil propaganda.
 
If I read something is fact, I look for the other side of the so called fact.
I choose to believe the people that say I've been lied to. You believe the people that say we are the liars.
 
But this has nothing to do with science when you people think science gives you a right to put people in camps, then it's not science now is it.
 
What if the Atheist realized a long time ago that they slowly need to feed us filtered information over generations to make people who believe in god into Atheists without them even telling anyone that was their plan. And in the end get what the great Marx thought impossible.
 
They only let you in their institutions if your Atheist. If you are a creationist, you get no funding.
 
Separation of church and state anyone. Yep They used science to have their Atheist religion forced on the people. And Atheism won a court case to gain tax advantages the Christians had for a religion. The secular governments have become the church of Atheism. And now we have a religion sanctioned by the state.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 19:06 GMT
well, paleo hebrew had few word and no vowels. And the text is sometimes ambiguous mostly because of it. There really are atheists that use the Bible to find digs now. Things are where it says there are. Found all these stamp coins of many biblical figures. It's an historical document. Why the news doesn't get around on the net is because Atheist try and fight anything that supports the Bible and use funding to fight it. They always lose to history cause the news can be found and slowly, (cause we don't have the help of the establishment Atheists) who use funds to counter instead of help) becomes common knowledge.
 
Whether you know or not, the Atheist are in a secret war to gain control of populations in a slow step by step fassion. They would rather die than admit there may be a creator. That's 1 reason why I call all atheists liars
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 19:40 GMT
Inaccurate? Ho do you KNOW? Or do you think it is and just blurt it out. I thought you were agnostic?
 
Already addressed? Liar. The was a made up story put out in the form of science and assumtions range within the realm of variation. Bottom line,
no evolutionary changed. liars.
 
What other species hasn't changed when we found in SO CALLED older layers? NONE. not a single one.
 
Well your liars taught for years the ceolacanth was extinct. And called it fact when it wasn't, as usual.
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 19:48 GMT
The universe has not been shown to be finite? You are a liar or ignoramus. I have to assume you are smart and realize even by taking your big bang story(put to us as fact again), Had to start, whatever started is material and is impossible to be infinite. In other words, how could we have more than what the big bang delivered? You are either ignorant or a liar. And I see you didn't grope on to the one Atheist fact. Universe was static. the so called science you say is so reliable will be laughed at like the flat earther's do today. Anyone who is so sure is doomed to dogma. Praise the lord. lol
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 19:55 GMT
If our observation is needed  to make the wave functions collapse into matter, how could the"big bang" produce matter without our observation? it's impossible for us to have been last on earth. we had to be first or something that was like us was here. either way, something has to collapse the furthest star. So tell me, what is out at the end of our universe that collapses these wave functions?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 20:28 GMT
He is the one running around with a false statement as a name.
 
Just a wild guess here, but I suspect his username refers to the First Council of Nicaea, where the Bible in its modern form was officially compiled for the first time.
 
But 1000 bc tells us the profacies of the Bible were not written after the events like all you Atheists claimed.
 
I've never claimed that - therfore, your statement is false. That was easy.
 
You see we know now the bible fortold of things yet to happen. And then happened. Atheist said it was because the bible was written after Jesus. Not a peep now from the Atheists about that debacle.
 
Again with the strawman arguments - you're arguing against claims that no one here is making.
 
And your triumphalist bragging isn't even warranted; so you have early documentation of the "profacies" [sic], wonderful. Too bad that there's no historical evidence that Jesus ever actually lived, let alone verification that his life matched the Old Testament prophecies.
 
We'll hear later how Jesus fulfilled the profacies by reading the Bible. Which we can also prove false.
 
Ah, so Christian Scientists have invented a time machine now?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 20:38 GMT
You know, you are a real card. All I do is read. I read both sides and choose. But what you been doing here is not science.
 
You ever take an iq test? or are they too flawed to guage your superior intellect. You know the things you say to me are fighting words right? I hate cowards hiding behind the ananymity of a pc. I am here as I am for real. I know you don't talk to people like you have spoke to me. Because you would not get away with being so condescending face to face I assure you.
 
What if I read more then you? what if I learn faster than you? How do you know I am not the who has progressed past your level of understanding. I was once blurting your bullcrap, just like you.
Stop thinking your logic is end all be all. You have been misled. Please stop trying to force me toward flawed world ruining philosophy.
 
All I want to know is why you don't mind putting all Christians in jail?
Calling me ignorant doesn't answer anything. Are you evil and aggree with the writer of the article? Yes or no. easy. But no answers? why? hehe
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 20:52 GMT
My rants are against Atheism. When you defend that, I rant about your Atheism. Because your Atheism already decided we Christians are stupid and that's it. You agree with the writer that we should be put away.
 
Then why do the scriptures match a tablet found 1325 years before your known FACT? See folks. They say anything and swear it is fact. Until we find a tablet that proves them full of crap. Mark my words. Your screen name is an Atheist lie and you are propagating it comrad. it can't be true.
Why don't you know current events science? Why do you act educated when you are only indoctrinated. What are you doing on a christian site?
 
What makes you think what you learned is better than what I learned?
 
Why are you wasting your time with lazy unscientific Christians when you could be working to better the world. And if your here trying to better the world. Then you are what you accuse me of. An ignoramus
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 21:10 GMT
You a marxist without the murdering part. Is that it?
 
 
Look, no one, not even Marx knew he was going to slaughter people.
 
But if the world is made the way you want it, we will not stand for it.
 
And you will be in the same position as Marx was.
 
And guess what? you will build them there gulags.
 
We know that it is not separable.
 
evil paths are paved with good intensions.
 
It isn't the evil man that causes extermination
 
It's the philosophy that demands it.
 
Your very screen name is a testament to your philosophy.
 
No matter how many tablets prove scripture was written before rome,
you want rome to have done it and that is that.
 
You'll sneak your proven wrong nickname out when you think no one will notice. And then you'll deny ever having such a nick name.
 
And when I tell other Atheists this story. They will deny there ever even being an arguement for rome's part in the Bible text.
 
As far as I am concerned, until you correct your name. You are deceiving the people that don't know. They still have those phoney embrios in school books after all. Every Atheist that knows this is a liar and they know they are liars.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 21:15 GMT
Yes, every Atheist is dishonest. To say their is no God is dishonest. You can only say there may be no God or I believe there is no God. To claim to be an Atheist is to answer questions, unanswerable.
 
Not really. Atheism literally means abstention from (or opposition to) belief in god or gods - notice that neither of those positions describe an active disbelif that God does *not* exist. The assertion that there is *no* god is no more intellectually-justifiable than the assertion that there *is* a God, since neither assertion can ever be verified.
 
It sounds like most of the atheists you've met were actually just obnoxious teenagers who have no intellectual or philosophical understanding of what "atheism" is - but they use the word because they know it will upset parents/teachers/whatever.
 
Read about the pascalian wager.
 
Uh, Pascal's Wager that it's *safer* to believe in God, because of the severity of the punishments if you don't & he does turn out to exist - it isn't an argument for the existence of God. There are also numerous counter-arguments to it - for one, if you follow Pascal's reasoning to its logical conclusion, then all Christians should convert to Judaism.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 21:48 GMT
Nope, people love me man. They get a kick how I can go on and on without a breath. But I have an even better reputation in my ring of humans. Whatever you do, don't bet him or you'll lose money.Even the people with higher degrees then I. I love jeopardy and rarely get beat.
 
But I know I am only above average IQ. I just read everything and know a lot of things, before they happen and win bets cause they think my profacies come true. But, it's just I get the unfiltered news by reading away from the establishment atheists and look smarter than I am. I know most atheist arguements. I just don't agree with what I learned. Before I learned, I was an atheist. If you are over 35 or so and an Atheist, you are a fool. Or it feeds you and you have no choice.
 
and I am a very happy go lucky guy. People smile when I show up. Only bad people don't like me, because as soon as they say something out of line, I don't let it go unsaid. yea, it's gotten me in trouble, but hey, they shut up, even if they think they won the fight.
 
I could be a doctor for free on the net. To think one can only take your path to get educated is a sign of indotrination. You may well be an educated idiot. I won't say it, but seems to me you are unable to think outside of what you learned. I got a 2 year degree. It means nothing. it is only training I received for a specialized field. not the end all be all. Hell, I bet I have the equivalent of 4-5 five degrees. Comparaed to some I know that know hardly anything outside of what they have been taught.
 
But i do have a hostility towards atheists, cause of their hostilty towards Christians. This article is a perfect example. I come in the Atheists are bashing away as usual. Then I realized what the writer was saying, and it's more christian bashing. So I picked up my stick.
But you are right, when it comes to atheists, I get like this. But it doesn't mean I am justified, just human.
 
i like telling people about me and get people to get involved with my arguements with Atheists. But I don't hear much from atheists, they are real secretive with their private life. I am not. of course all my flaws get picked on for not hiding my idiosincracies, but hey, they know who I am. I know if you knew me, you wouldn't want to hurt my feelings, not out of fear, but how you know me.
 
Atheism leads a man to evil and to support evil for a greater cause, I will never forget that about that philosophy. It must be fought, or it will destroy us all. And I believe that, more then I believe I have found the right God.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/05 - 22:07 GMT
Another lie. Believing in God kills scientific inquiry. The gene was mapped by a creationist. Heck nearly every scientific theory came from creationists like isaac newton. You are a fool if you think Atheism is the only way to advance science. You freaks turned science into a political machine.
 
You have brought nothing but arguements to dogmatically defend your religion. We creationist made all the major advances, including genetics.
Since you folks been in charge, the only advancement is our bankrupcies.
Sucking the world dry. You counter what I say with nothing but insults on me, with no facts backing you up. Only what you have been deceived to believe as fact. The commies would call you a useful idiot.  Or are you a commie too Mr Marxist without the murders.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 1:07 GMT
mike. they don't care about truth. they just want to keep you busy so that you won't become a soul winner for christ.
 
Hey, ronnie - you two should become a tag team. He can compare people to Hitler while you accuse them of being pedophiles. That's what Jesus would have done, right?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 1:53 GMT
Oh, now you are worried about SEVERE abuse? Forget it. You don't care about the murders and hunt for Christians in China, or you think it isn't happening. Now you want people to watch a (DOCUM), not a propaganda report. I don't believe anything Atheists say. If kids are being abused, then the law will deal with them. But when we have Atheists advising people how to ship under age girls to America to force them to prostitude and who knows what else, I believe that, cause I trust the source. You don't mind those foriegn children getting raped? Or the chinese Christians getting hunted down and exterminated? You are a litterary conman. You haven't presented one fact anywhere and act like your hollow words mean something other than dogma. At least I know it's my opinion. But the frauds of Atheism are real and accumulating.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 2:01 GMT
You've been lied to. I was trying to teach you, but you think your the teacher. So teach those who will to pay you. I think it's bullcrap recirculated over and over by the same Atheists...
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 2:04 GMT
Do you all agree with the poster of hate?
 
Of course not - are you insane? I doubt that even DrWorm sincerely believes what he wrote, let alone anyone else here.
 
Marx said about turning a man from God, not me man.
 
A different Marx quote comes to mind right at the moment:
 
"Now there's a man with an open mind -- you can feel the breeze from here!"
 
But if you agree with camps, then you have already committed genocide. yes. I am accusing you of being evil if you support camps for people you think you are better than.

I think atheists would have been the ones in the oven if what atheist always say about christians were true. but i digress.

what they say about the evil of our philosophy is the evil their very own philosophy plays out time and time again. And still claim there is an Atheist Utopia to be had. Every time they get power, they exterminate opposition, just llike the poster wants to do to Christians.
 
In other words, you're wiilling to latch onto any excuse to justify your irrational hatred of atheists.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 5:08 GMT
Yes, I keep hearing you Atheists saying how we as a people have to do something about the Christian problem. Richard Dawkins, (your hero, right?) said. Christians are either stupid, insane, or, evil.
 
Wrong. The actual quote was"It is absolutely safe to say that, if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane".
 
I see a post here that wants to put us in camps and not a single Atheist had a problem with it.
 
That's because most of have the brains to realize that DrWorm was obviously trolling and, as a result, we're not stupid enough to take his post seriously.
 
Unlike someone I could mention.
 
When I point out they are evil if they agree with the premise, they tell me there are many kinds of good camps too. You are all f@!@#g liars. And anyone who agrees with his evil proclamation is also evil. I can't help it you guys don't know good from evil. But what he said was evil man. I will die trying to kill any son of a gun trying to put me away for my sound thoughts. Any of you want to come get me for the betterment of the world, bring it on!!

Why do you people want us put away if you are agnostic? You say you are not liars? I am bearing false witness?
 
Are you truly stupid enough to believe that a lack of posts condeming an obvious troll post is the same thing as condonement? Or is that just your desperate need to find any excuse for your Christian persecution complex and your mindless hatred of "Atheists" [sic]?
 
What if the Atheist realized a long time ago that they slowly need to feed us filtered information over generations to make people who believe in god into Atheists without them even telling anyone that was their plan. And in the end get what the great Marx thought impossible.
 
Sweet merciful crap, you really are a hopeless kook aren't you? Better get your tinfoil hat on so the black helicopters don't steal your brainwaves!
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 5:16 GMT
your there is no God hypothesis. If you are agnostic, then you have a good ground for an hypothesis. We don't need to talk. An agnostic will find what I found. An Atheist really is the brainwashed one. There is no way to be an atheist in light of the quantum paradox. The only thing you have left is to just admit you hate god. Atheism is an impossible logic.
 
Better check underneath your bed tonight, just in case there are some atheists hiding there!
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 5:20 GMT
Atheism is a belief not a fact.
 
Uh, no, not even close. Atheism is a LACK of belief.
 
Either is agnostic as evident by the word believe. But if you want people in jail for what they believe, the you are by proxy taking an non-agnostic position, or else how does he know? He's agnostic right? lol
 
Was that an attempt at stream-of-consciousness, or are you just posting drunk?
 
You guys are so full of crap. If you want people in camps, you are evil not agnostic.
 
Logical fallacy - it's entirely possible that we're agnostic AND evil.
 
All hail Marx and Lennon.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 6:57 GMT
Another lie. Believing in God kills scientific inquiry. The gene was mapped by a creationist.
 
Fallacy: Strawman argument. That's not what I said: I pointed out a single example where religious belief had impeded scientific progress. It's far from the only example, though - Galileo, anyone?
 
Heck nearly every scientific theory came from creationists like isaac newton.
 
There was no alternative to creationism in Newton's time - it's highly unlikely that he would have been a creationist had he lived during or after Darwin's time. And the funny thing here is that Newton was widely attacked on the grounds that his theories of a mechanistic universe were blasphemous.
 
You are a fool if you think Atheism is the only way to advance science. You freaks turned science into a political machine.
 
Once again - fallacy: Strawman argument, I never said that "Atheism" [sic] is the only way to advance science or anything remotely to that effect. And I think that Ken Miller would effectively debunk that premise anyway.
 
You have brought nothing but arguements to dogmatically defend your religion.
 
You guys sound like kindergartners when you pull out that line. "We're not a religion, YOU'RE a religion!"
 
We creationist made all the major advances, including genetics.
 
Too bad about your track record for the past 150 years, though.
 
Since you folks been in charge, the only advancement is our bankrupcies. Sucking the world dry.
 
There you have it, folks - Mikey's summary of 150 years of scientific discoveries.
 
You counter what I say with nothing but insults on me, with no facts backing you up.
 
"You are a liar or ignoramus."
 
You were saying?
 
Only what you have been deceived to believe as fact. The commies would call you a useful idiot.  Or are you a commie too Mr Marxist without the murders.
 
Yep, that's me - a Marxist. Marx said something that applies particularly well to you:
 
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot, but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot."
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 6:58 GMT
The universe has not been shown to be finite? You are a liar or ignoramus.
 
Okay, if the universe is finite then you should be able to answer two simple questions: where does the universe end, and what's outside the universe? (waiting...)
 
I have to assume you are smart and realize even by taking your big bang story(put to us as fact again)
 
Only if you don't understand what the word "theory" in "big bang theory" means.
 
Had to start, whatever started is material and is impossible to be infinite. In other words, how could we have more than what the big bang delivered? You are either ignorant or a liar.
 
You really should read at *least* some basic introductory material on physics (and not just Christian apologetics) before you try to discuss topics like this.
 
 
"In 1982, Alexander Vilenkin proposed an extension of Tyron's idea and suggested that the Universe was created by quantum processes starting from 'literally nothing', meaning not only the absence of matter, but the absence of space and time as well. Vilenkin took the idea of quantum tunneling and proposed that the Universe started in the totally empty geometry and then made a quantum tunneling transition to a non-empty state (subatomic in size), which through inflation (the Universe expands exponentially fast for a brief period of time which causes its size to increase dramatically) came to its current size.

Another idea is from Stephen Hawking and James Hartle. Hawking proposed a description of the Universe in its entirety, viewed as a self-contained entity, with no reference to anything that might have come before it. The description is timeless, in the sense that one set of equations delineates the Universe for all time. As one looks to earlier and earlier times, one finds that the model Universe is not eternal, but there is no creation event either. Instead, at times of the order of 10-43 seconds, the approximation of a classical description of space and time breaks down completely, with the whole picture dissolving into quantum ambiguity. In Hawking's words, the Universe 'would neither be created nor destroyed. It would just BE.'"

And I see you didn't grope on to the one Atheist fact. Universe was static.

Um, the Steady State theory was accepted by astronomers in general before Hubble's discoveries. That inclues astronomers who were Christian too, you know.

the so called science you say is so reliable will be laughed at like the flat earther's do today. Anyone who is so sure is doomed to dogma. Praise the lord.

Wow, you really are trotting out all of the tired old creationist talking points, aren't you? Now you're trying to attack the credibility of science by pointing out an example of something that scientists were wrong about in the past (while missing the point that it was also scientists who eventually found the correct answer).

Yawn. Next?

lol

Oh, and you're also one of those morons who thinks that "lol" is punctuation. Awesome, it just keeps getting better and better.

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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 6:58 GMT
Inaccurate?
 
Yep. This part:
 
"But look up what all the so called scientists were saying before the 1970's. They were beating Christians over the head about how it was fake cause there was too much time removed from the origin to be authentic."
 
Ho do you KNOW?
 
"Ho" [sic] do I know? Well, for starters, you didn't cite a single reference or example.
 
Already addressed?
 
That's what I said, Mikey. If you're capable of it, do a "Find" in the page for "white swan fallacy" - I'm not going to spell it out for you yet again.
 
Liar.
 
Aww, boo-hoo. Someone's getting cranky.
 
What other species hasn't changed when we found in SO CALLED older layers? NONE. not a single one.

Well your liars taught for years the ceolacanth was extinct. And called it fact when it wasn't, as usual.
 
Sweet merciful crap, you're stupid. You know why it was taught that te "ceolacanth"[sic] was extinct? Because, up until 1938, there had been no living specimen had ever been documented - and the most recent fossil specimen was over 100 million years old.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 6:59 GMT
Science teachers keep teaching the things that have changed. like why do they still teach about the fraud of hinkle's embrios. still in some new editions.
 
Name one and name the school district still using it (waiting...). Otherwise, I call bullshit.
 
So, extinct means they could exist, but as long as we don't see them, they don't exist? You are kidding right?
 
How hard is that to understand?
 
And what would you suggest instead? You think we should put Tyranosaurus on the endangered species list?
 
The only HONEST thing you could say is, we don't know if anything is extinct in reality. But atheists are dishonest and will make up an arguement and call it science.
 
Fallacy: strawman argument. That's exactly scientists and intellectually-honest people DO admit. And you know why we still use the word "extinct"? Because insisting that people instead say "maybe extinct, but possibly not extinct" makes you look like a pedantic twit. And not only that, but a twit who fails to realize that EVERYTHING in science is provisional.
 
You see, in every aspect of science, Atheist do this.
 
Your ignorance is showing again.
 
If evolution is true, then it is impossible for a Ceolacanth to have stayed exactly the same for 140 million years.
 
What? Are you retarded? "Ceolacanth" [sic] didn't stay the same - as I've already pointed out, there are anatomical dfferences between living specimens and fossil ones.
 
And the fact that it survived for as long as it has, with relatively minor changes, supports evolution: it obviously well-adapted.
 
It could not withstand the genetic defect accumulation. Same with all the other organisms found. All exactly the same right in the middle of the so called explosion.
 
What are you talking about? It sounds like you're now just copy-pasting random bits from Christian apologetics websites.
 
Let's look at it logically. If evolution is true, why is there only extinction? If at all. why isn't diversity growing like evolution demands?
 
Wow, after nearly 50 posts on an forum about EVOLUTION and creationism, you finally mention evolution! It's incredible!!!!11oneone
 
Oh, and you also manage to demonstrate that you don't understand what the theory of evolution states. Organisms go extinct because of changes in their environment that they are unable to adapt to, simple as that Chuckles.
 
In other words, YOU FAIL. Again.
 
Trillions of fruitfly generations of breeding and not a single non-fruitfly. They are still funding this debachery.
 
"debachery" [sic]? Really?
 
Are you sure you're really a creationist, and not a hilarious satirist posing as a clever parody of a creationist? Taking a moral opposition to the "debachery" [sic] of breeding "fruitflys" [sic], that's brilliant.
 
Wouldn't the money be better spent trying to feed some of the people of the world? Of how fruitflies used to be so big compared to now. But they ain't using money for such needless things. Aren't Atheist so great?
 
It's hard to believe, but you just get dumber with every sentence. You really think that the money spent on... breeding fruit flies would really feed the world's hungry?
 
You Atheists sure the world in not 3 trillion years old? lol
 
Hey, another creationist who can't tell the difference between science and Scientology (and who thinks that "lol" is punctuation).
 
Oh, ic, the magnetic field of the earth would have killed everything only 50,000 years ago. and if we go another 50,000 years, we'll start floating into space. Because of our disappearing magnetic field.
 
Thoroughly debunked, years ago:
 
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/magfields.html
 
Not that you'll understand a word of it, though.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 6:59 GMT
You know, you are a real card. All I do is read. I read both sides and choose. But what you been doing here is not science.
 
Posting on a message board is not the same thing as practicing science? You don't say - thank you for that insight, Captain Obvious.
 
You know the things you say to me are fighting words right?
 
Ooooh, is the internet tough guy going to break my jaw?
 
I hate cowards hiding behind the ananymity of a pc.
 
Like you're doing right now?
 
I am here as I am for real.
 
Yep, real... a "real" internet tough guy.
 
I know you don't talk to people like you have spoke to me. Because you would not get away with being so condescending face to face I assure you.
 
Sure I would. You why? Because you're just making threats from the safety of your keyboard - threats that you would never have the guts to carry out in real life (good Christian that you are). Hell, you don't even have the guts to make specific threats!
 
What if I read more then you? what if I learn faster than you? How do you know I am not the who has progressed past your level of understanding.
 
Well, for one, you write like someone who hasn't even graduated junior high school. That's a bit of a giveaway.
 
 
I was once blurting your bullcrap, just like you.
 
 
I doubt it, since you don't have a clue what talking about on just about any subject.
 
Please stop trying to force me toward flawed world ruining philosophy.
 
And the persecution complex shows up again.
 
All I want to know is why you don't mind putting all Christians in jail?
 
Quote a single instance where I've ever said that, or I can only assume you're lying... yet again.
 
Calling me ignorant doesn't answer anything.
 
Sure, but it's true.
 
Are you evil and aggree with the writer of the article? Yes or no. easy. But no answers? why? hehe
 
Really, those anti-psychotic meds? You were prescribed them for a reason, you really ought to take them.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 7:14 GMT
it's impossible for us to have been last on earth. we had to be first or something that was like us was here.
 
So you've already said that you accept that the Earth is at least 140 million years old, yet you think human beings were the first life form? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?
 
either way, something has to collapse the furthest star. So tell me, what is out at the end of our universe that collapses these wave functions?
 
That makes about as much sense as saying "if the Earth is round, then why don't people on the other side fall off?"
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 7:16 GMT
You've been lied to. I was trying to teach you,
 
There's your problem - before you can teach anyone effectively, you have to actually be educated yourself.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 8:18 GMT
My rants are against Atheism. When you defend that, I rant about your Atheism. Because your Atheism already decided we Christians are stupid and that's it. You agree with the writer that we should be put away.
 
Trying to put words in his mouth, I see. I'd say you're "getting" desperate, but you pretty much started from a position of desperation.
 
Then why do the scriptures match a tablet found 1325 years before your known FACT? See folks. They say anything and swear it is fact. Until we find a tablet that proves them full of crap. Mark my words. Your screen name is an Atheist lie and you are propagating it comrad. it can't be true.
 
Either you're lying, or too dumb to read the numerous explanations that have already been posted. Which is it?
 
What makes you think what you learned is better than what I learned?
 
Maybe because what we've learned isn't a collection of nonsense, copy-pasted from Christian apologist websites?
 
Why are you wasting your time with lazy unscientific Christians when you could be working to better the world. 
 
Bettering the world, like you are? Try practicing what you preach, Mikey.
 
And if your here trying to better the world. Then you are what you accuse me of. An ignoramus
 
Well, as long as we're all agreed that you're a gigantic idiot.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 8:18 GMT
wow, look who goes to the phoney Bible for retribution. lol
 
Still think that "lol" is punctuation, eh?
 
Atheism is the evil that has eaten good for centuries. That's why communists are afraid to say who they are. Not because they have no freedom of speech, but because of the blood trail. And whenever you get to the bottom of things, Atheists are communist,democrat,socialist,progressive,liberal, etc.  Atheism is not science folks, it's politics. And the Christian democrats are the useful idiots Marx talks about. In other words the democratic party has been coopted be these folks over the years, on purpose as a plan to undermine capitalism, or God if you may.
 
Mikey, you sound as crazy as David Icke ranting about the cabal of Lizard Men who secretly rule the world.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 8:19 GMT
Your sources are Atheist proganda machines.

The answers to the universe are unknown, Atheism is not able to exist, if it does, it is dishonest at it's core.
 
I see you still don't have the guts, or the wits, to back up your claims. You fail.
 
Read a new history book, they all lie. Those books are put tegether explicitly to propgandize children to become Atheist. Lies, repeated by you and your ilk.
 
You're starting to sound as crazy as Hovind.
 
Atheist are the bad guys. Get rid of atheists and you get rid of mass evil.
 
Are you just copy-and-pasting the same bullshit over and over again? It really looks like it.
 
Like when a man writes an article on how 65% of the population should be put away, any you loving Atheists see nothing wrong with it? Dishonest? absolutely. Evil, yes. If I am wrong. Then denounce that and prove you are honest.
 
It's obvious that you're kinda slow, but how many times does it it need to be explained to you? DrWorm was trolling - only an idiot would take his post seriously enough to denounce it.
 
remeber folks, generally speaking, children become Atheists, adults become Christian.
 
Another post, another unsubstantiated lie from Mikey.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 8:19 GMT
Nope, people love me man. They get a kick how I can go on and on without a breath. 
 
I bet they just love your glassy-eyed, thousand-yard stare too.
 
But I have an even better reputation in my ring of humans. Whatever you do, don't bet him or you'll lose money.Even the people with higher degrees then I. I love jeopardy and rarely get beat.
 
Bragging again? You're sounding pretty insecure, Mikey.
 
But I know I am only above average IQ.
 
Which average? Average IQ for a chimp?
 
I just read everything and know a lot of things, before they happen and win bets cause they think my profacies come true.
 
Ooooh, wow, you're amazing!
 
But, it's just I get the unfiltered news by reading away from the establishment atheists and look smarter than I am.
 
Translation: you only read Christian apologist sources.
 
I know most atheist arguements. I just don't agree with what I learned.
 
Probably because you're too dumb to understand most of it.
 
Before I learned, I was an atheist. If you are over 35 or so and an Atheist, you are a fool. Or it feeds you and you have no choice.
 
This diagnosis brought to you by Doctor Mikey, Internet Psychologist.
 
and I am a very happy go lucky guy. People smile when I show up.
 
And then you break their jaws?
 
Only bad people don't like me, because as soon as they say something out of line, I don't let it go unsaid. yea, it's gotten me in trouble, but hey, they shut up, even if they think they won the fight.
 
So, in other words, you act just as batshit insane offline as you do on the internet. I'm sure you must be the life of every party.
 
I could be a doctor for free on the net. To think one can only take your path to get educated is a sign of indotrination. You may well be an educated idiot. I won't say it, but seems to me you are unable to think outside of what you learned. I got a 2 year degree. It means nothing. it is only training I received for a specialized field. not the end all be all. Hell, I bet I have the equivalent of 4-5 five degrees. Comparaed to some I know that know hardly anything outside of what they have been taught.
 
More insecure bragging, yawn. Why don't you just save yourself some typing and tell us that your mommy thinks you're cool? That will REALLY impress us.
 
But i do have a hostility towards atheists, cause of their hostilty towards Christians. This article is a perfect example. I come in the Atheists are bashing away as usual. Then I realized what the writer was saying, and it's more christian bashing. So I picked up my stick.
 
In other words, you're too stupid to avoid falling for an obvious troll post.
 
But you are right, when it comes to atheists, I get like this. But it doesn't mean I am justified, just human.
 
And now back to your regular Hitler comparisons.
 
i like telling people about me and get people to get involved with my arguements with Atheists.
 
In other words, insecure bragging.
 
But I don't hear much from atheists, they are real secretive with their private life.
 
Gee, do you think that might have something to do with the fact that our personal lives have no relevance to a debate on evolution?
 
I am not. of course all my flaws get picked on for not hiding my idiosincracies, but hey, they know who I am. I know if you knew me, you wouldn't want to hurt my feelings, not out of fear, but how you know me.
 
Right, cause you're just such a great guy... when you're not breaking people's jaws or comparing them to Hitler.
 
Atheism leads a man to evil and to support evil for a greater cause, I will never forget that about that philosophy.
 
Still repeating the same lie over and over, I see.
 
It must be fought, or it will destroy us all. And I believe that, more then I believe I have found the right God.
 
From your bragging, it's clear that you worship yourself more than anything else.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 8:20 GMT
I don't believe anything Atheists say.
 
And Mikey admits his bias.
 
But when we have Atheists advising people how to ship under age girls to America to force them to prostitude and who knows what else, I believe that, cause I trust the source. 
 
No, you believe that because you're gullible and stupid enough to believe anything that justifies your hatred of atheists.
 
You don't mind those foriegn children getting raped? Or the chinese Christians getting hunted down and exterminated? 
 
Wow, you are a really classy guy there, Mikey.
 
You haven't presented one fact anywhere and act like your hollow words mean something other than dogma.
 
Translation: "I know you are, but what am I?"
 
At least I know it's my opinion. But the frauds of Atheism are real and accumulating.
 
Yet you can't name a single one without lying through your teeth.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 8:21 GMT
Look, no one, not even Marx knew he was going to slaughter people.
 
Tell us, what exactly WAS Karl Marx's personal body count?
 
And guess what? you will build them there gulags.
 
"them there"? Just when I thought you couldn't make yourself sound any dumber...
 
We know that it is not separable.

evil paths are paved with good intensions.

It isn't the evil man that causes extermination

It's the philosophy that demands it.

Your very screen name is a testament to your philosophy.

No matter how many tablets prove scripture was written before rome,
you want rome to have done it and that is that.

You'll sneak your proven wrong nickname out when you think no one will notice. And then you'll deny ever having such a nick name.

And when I tell other Atheists this story. They will deny there ever even being an arguement for rome's part in the Bible text.
 
Tinfoil hats, get your tinfoil hats!
 
Every Atheist that knows this is a liar and they know they are liars.
 
Sorry, Mikey, you're the only liar around here. It looks like you're just trying to shift the blame now that you've been called on your lies - pretty pathetic, Mikey.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 8:21 GMT
it's the future man. It could mean, humans will do away with names. Maybe the "man" spoke of was the first or one who starts this. But that doesn't make too much sense either. But I'll tell you what, if the Bible was made up to con people, why all these things that seem impossible to us.
 
...are you high?
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 8:22 GMT
After all, did you folks know that it is now the jewish writing that are oldest on earth. Summarians are not older but direct descenants of noah.
 
Where did you read that bit of bullshit?
 
All other religions are from the old testament.
 
Like the Norse religions, the Hindu religion, Buddhism, etc?
 
Everyone of them left the original by making up what they as humans wanted it to say. They are all false. 
 
And now it looks like you're just making shit up.
 
Some Atheist said the "chinese are the oldest stupid." The I had to tell him about noahs story being part their language symbols. Really.
 
Wow, I'll bet they were REALLY impressed by your ability to spout Christian apologist lies.
 
Folks, you don't realize this. We found scrolls that match our king james text exactly. So here we are 3000 years later and our book we say is the real mccoy, matches what those jewish people's scrolls and tablets word for word. That my friends is a miracle in and of itself.
 
You've found scrolls, in English, from 3,000 years ago?!? Now THAT would be a miracle.
 
The Bible is an accurate historical document. Now I know you atheists thinking that them liing Jews are liars. I think you are the liars.
 
And Mikey just keeps getting crazier and crazier.
 
They've become all knowing because of their confidence and closemindedness.
 
It's not that we're all knowing, Mikey - it's just that nearly everything you've posted is really, really, REALLY stupid. And painfully-obviously so.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 8:22 GMT
well, paleo hebrew had few word and no vowels. And the text is sometimes ambiguous mostly because of it. There really are atheists that use the Bible to find digs now. Things are where it says there are. Found all these stamp coins of many biblical figures. It's an historical document.
 
Already addressed, long ago. You fail.
 
Why the news doesn't get around on the net is because Atheist try and fight anything that supports the Bible and use funding to fight it.
 
Unsubstantiated claim. You fail.
 
They always lose to history cause the news can be found and slowly, (cause we don't have the help of the establishment Atheists) who use funds to counter instead of help) becomes common knowledge.

Whether you know or not, the Atheist are in a secret war to gain control of populations in a slow step by step fassion. They would rather die than admit there may be a creator. That's 1 reason why I call all atheists liars
 
And now you're off in tinfoil hat territory again.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 8:23 GMT
I only believe. Why? Because of the quantum paradox. As long as naturalism has a paradox, a creator is plausable.
 
You're repeating yourself, Mikey.
 
You find the evidence that there is no God first. 
 
Already addressed, that's not the way it works.
 
I'd rather believe the Bible until then.
 
Also known as "wishful thinking."
 
I am going to try an experiment with flipping coins and a camera to see if the paradox can be found to occur right before our eyes.
 
Yes, I'm sure we'll be seeing you published in the scientific journals *any* day now.
 
What made me doubt my Atheism was this...

If it is we who break down the wave function, then how could evolution be possible? evolution says we came last.
 
Uh, no it doesn't say that. So we can apparently add evolution to the list of things you don't understand.
 
How would the wave function breakdown without us? Then I read the spirit of God moved upon the earth. If God was here to breakdown the wave function, then the universe could exist. God said, and it was. You see, it is possible for us not to be here first with a creator here already to make waves into real matter.
 
Really, go buy a copy of "Quantum Physics For Dummies", please - you're just embarrassing yourself.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 9:22 GMT
"I only believe. Why? Because of the quantum paradox. As long as naturalism has a paradox, a creator is plausable."
 
and possibility =probability?
 
no. god could exist. but there is no reason to say he DOES exist. at least not yet.
 
"I'd rather believe the Bible until then."
 
and not the Koran? or dianetics?
 
"I am going to try an experiment with flipping coins and a camera to see if the paradox can be found to occur right before our eyes."
 
oh the insanity....
QUANTUM.
 
"If it is we who break down the wave function, then how could evolution be possible? evolution says we came last. How would the wave function breakdown without us?"
 
ok, this amount of pompous self inflation is just painfull to read.
i feel tempted to ask. do you have a degree in physics?
 
"Then I read the spirit of God moved upon the earth. If God was here to breakdown the wave function, then the universe could exist. God said, and it was."
 
and so you immediately converted from atheism to fundementalist christianity.....riiiiiiiight.
 
then why do you show such extreme imsunderstandign of what atheists actually believe and profess.
 
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 9:27 GMT
"If you want to con people, your story has to be believable to some extent. I mean 900 year old people? all the miracles. etc"
 
 
aaah such ignorance of pre industiral superstition..
BECAUSE YOU HAMMER IT INTO PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM COMFORT AND GUIDENCE.
 
you cna make anyone belive ANYTHING proveded you hammer it into them and give them an incentive. like eternal bliss, or fear of eternal damnation.
 
that's much nicer when you don't know that that yersinia is ripping apart your insides.
 
"Seems to me the men writing the Bible believed what they were writing."
 
and that's supposed to make it true?
 
"And the bracheosaurous is written about in the bible."
 
behemouth lacks enough description for it to be classified as a saurapod....that you would even think this is absurd.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 9:42 GMT
" The I had to tell him about noahs story being part their language symbols."
 
http://bibleprobe.com/chinese.htm
 
right?
 
'Folks, you don't realize this. We found scrolls that match our king james text exactly"
 
oh, my experience translating latin makes me doubt that.
 
"They've become all knowing because of their confidence and closemindedness."
 
 
oh yes, and lets therefore dismiss everything that jives against that one book. and then lets demonise it.
the irony here is delicious.
 
 
 
 
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 9:57 GMT
" like why do they still teach about the fraud of hinkle's embrios"
 
perhpas because the morpholgical similarities are still there? or didn't that occur to you.
 
"So, extinct means they could exist, but as long as we don't see them, they don't exist? You are kidding right?"
 
...what?
didn't you read it.
 
if we have no evidence we have no REASON to say they exist.
NOT that they do not exist.
 
this isn't that hard to understand.
 
"The only HONEST thing you could say is, we don't know if anything is extinct in reality."
 
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT PEOPLE DO!
 
we cannot say with absolute certainty that they are exstinct, just with a high amount of certainty.
 
"You see, in every aspect of science, Atheist do this."
 
no you twat. you form temporary conclusion on the data. you NEVER make an absolute conclusion. everything must be falsefiable.
 
"If evolution is true, then it is impossible for a Ceolacanth to have stayed exactly the same for 140 million years."
 
NO IT IS NOT.
get back to your biology class. they should have taught you this.
 
" It could not withstand the genetic defect accumulation."
 
.....to any micorbiologist, or ANY biologist for example this statement is just....absolutely shit.
 
you have 0% idea of how DNA is conserved in cells do you?
 
"All exactly the same right in the middle of the so called explosion."
 
as in the cambian explosion?
 
because a few million years and a whole new resource to tape makes for a LOT of speciation.
 
"Let's look at it logically. If evolution is true, why is there only extinction? If at all. why isn't diversity growing like evolution demands?"
 
because of competition.
the dna that survives is constantly diversifying and being selected.
rapid change well generate a slective force and can possibly complety eradicate cetain templates...like a metior hittign the earht for example.
or a local rainforst burning down, whiping a species of tree of the face of the earth.
 
"Trillions of fruitfly generations of breeding and not a single non-fruitfly."
 
you do undestand that that is exactly what evolution predict right?
you can never diverge form your parent clade.
 
we are still placental mammals.
 
" They are still funding this debachery."
 
you have no idea how much evolution goes on in labs who create the microbes we use to make your foods and product do you?
it's just an insane amount.
 
"Wouldn't the money be better spent trying to feed some of the people of the world?"
 
or developing an extremely high yield crop usign natural selection?
 
" Aren't Atheist so great?"
 
do not spit on the hand that feeds you. for you have no idea of it.
i study life sciences and a large part of it consists of process technology. so i know just how much shit you are talking now.
 
"
You Atheists sure the world in not 3 trillion years old? lol
Oh, ic, the magnetic field of the earth would have killed everything only 50,000 years ago. and if we go another 50,000 years, we'll start floating into space. Because of our disappearing magnetic field."
 
aah the ignronce is insane....thinking high gravity can kill life...hahaha.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 10:02 GMT
"ok, I see, you support the camps as long as their good camps."
 
eh no, but hey.
only in your paranoid fantisies.
 
 
 
 
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 10:06 GMT
"nope. Agnostic is agnostic. Atheism is a belief not a fact."
 
atheism is simply the rejcetion of the claim god exists.
agnostisimsis saying you aren't sure.
 
"But if you want people in jail for what they believe,"
 
no i do not. now stop making these stupid accusations.
 
"the you are by proxy taking an non-agnostic position, or else how does he know? He's agnostic right? lol"
 
god doesn't nessecarily need to be jaweh. it's so simple to grasp really.
 
 
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 10:20 GMT
"Richard Dawkins, (your hero, right?) said."
 
dawkins is a slege hammer, it's perfef a needle.
 
like matt more
 
 
you should wathc more of those episodes.
 
"Christianity is the cause of all the evils in the world. salem which trials, the crusaders, startvation, greed, and on and on and on."
 
what?
no. there are more roots of evil.
 
"I see a post here that wants to put us in camps and not a single Atheist had a problem with it."
 
i would. you lose. stop living in your fanaties.
 
"When I point out they are evil if they agree with the premise, they tell me there are many kinds of good camps too."
 
no, you completely miss the point.
 
"I will die trying to kill any son of a gun trying to put me away for my sound thoughts."
 
unfortunately you are thought don't appear to be that sound.
 
"Any of you want to come get me for the betterment of the world, bring it on!!"
 
YAY finally somehtign usefull.
ok. i'd urge you to enroll in colledge and go do somehtign with biomedical engeneering, biosynthesis or genetics. we always need more people doign research. WE HAVE MEDICINES AND TREATMENTS TO MAKE!
 
"Why do you people want us put away if you are agnostic"
 
1 because we do not want to put you away.
2 because we do not want your fanatsies to influence the rest of us (thats why we have seperation of church and state)
3 because certain religious indoctrination are demonstrablebly abusive.
 
"If I read something is fact, I look for the other side of the so called fact."
 
and i go look for the raw data.
 
"You believe the people that say we are the liars."
 
and we get trapped in an endless cycle....
i would ahve thought you had the mental prowess and will to break it and ingage in meaningfull dialogue.
 
"They only let you in their institutions if your Atheist. If you are a creationist, you get no funding."
 
let me ask you this.
can you provide a SINGLE meaningfull application of creationist research?
 
 
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 10:22 GMT
"There really are atheists that use the Bible to find digs now."
 
kernel

"They would rather die than admit there may be a creator."
 
.
 
"That's 1 reason why I call all atheists liars"
 
so it's foundationless hate.
goooood.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 10:28 GMT
"Inaccurate? Ho do you KNOW? Or do you think it is and just blurt it out. I thought you were agnostic?"
 
i am not agnostice when it comes to jaweh, zeus, krishna.
 
if there is a god, it's gonna be vague.
 
"Already addressed?"
 
have you read more on this forum?
 
"no evolutionary changed."
 
your well on your way to the amount of lieing bigdog and ronnie ahve reached. GJ
 
"What other species hasn't changed when we found in SO CALLED older layers? NONE. not a single one."
 
oh they have changed, but very little. or very much.
for example. the basic template of sharks and crocs is still very much the same, whereas some therapod dinsaurs are now birds.
 
"Well your liars taught for years the ceolacanth was extinct"
 
no, we assumed it was because we didn't find any living specimins and because generally, fossils represent species that died off or changed.
 
 
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 10:43 GMT
"I read both sides and choose."
 
then why are you so damded ignorant of our side?
 
"You ever take an iq test?"
 
hehe silly you.
intelligence isn't a garantee against beign irrational. it's just decreases the likelyhood.
 
" I hate cowards hiding behind the ananymity of a pc."
 
says the guy who doesn't want to talk over the phone.
 
"talk to people like you have spoke to me."
 
oh yes, surely he does sometimes, but when people experience that f2f they are suddenly a bit more intellectual honest and will admit that they were wrong or ignorant. or they make a convincing case and we have to change our views.
 
" Because you would not get away with being so condescending face to face I assure you."
 
and you would not get away with ebign so threatening and irrational.
 
"What if I read more then you? what if I learn faster than you? How do you know I am not the who has progressed past your level of understanding. I was once blurting your bullcrap, just like you."
 
yet you don't seem to quite understand the bullcrap we are speaking now. and instead you insist on demonised charicatures.
 
" Please stop trying to force me toward flawed world ruining philosophy."
 
world ending? go visit scandinavia.
 
"Calling me ignorant doesn't answer anything."
 
it's supposed to entice you to start learning.
 
"But no answers? why? hehe"
 
WE ALREADY DID.
 
we said this was an OBVIOUS TROLL. and that if were serious we would never agree.
 
 
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 10:51 GMT
"Another lie. Believing in God kills scientific inquiry."
 
well yes that is a lie.
 
but it DOES hamper conclusion forming...if your a fundementalist.
 
"Heck nearly every scientific theory came from creationists like isaac newton."
 
but he didn't scoop to the same level of fundementalism. where he alive today he wouldn't be on your side of the fence...probably in the middle.
 
"You freaks turned science into a political machine."
 
i take it this refers to global warming. or pandemics, or tsunami warnigns or solar power, or global energy consumption, or public healthcare.
 
"You have brought nothing but arguements to dogmatically defend your religion."
 
you should grab a mirror.
 
"We creationist made all the major advances, including genetics."
 
outright lie.
for one my professor Mattieau Noteborn.
http://molgen.lic.leidenuniv.nl/people/noteborn
 
" the only advancement is our bankrupcies."
 
and protiens
 
"You counter what I say with nothing but insults on me"
 
only in your eyes.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 10:59 GMT
"I rant about your Atheism."
 
no, you rant about soem paranoid fantisy you want atheism to be.
 
"our screen name is an Atheist lie and you are propagating it comrad."
 
im sure the church fathers would disagree with you there.
 
"Why don't you know current events science"
 
because i do. but there is so much research it's hard to keep track of it.
 
" What are you doing on a christian site?"
 
i've already explained this ina  previous thread. numerous times.
i don't feel liek wriing another A4 explination.
 
"What makes you think what you learned is better than what I learned?"
 
because it better depict reality. it's more nuanced, it's more open.
 
"Why are you wasting your time with lazy unscientific Christians when you could be working to better the world."
 
BECAUSE EVERYONE OF YOU COULD BE HELPING TO DO THAT. instead of pushing for some half asses degration back to theocracy.
because we are all human beigns and your dogma forces you to sometimes turn into incredibly inotolerant assholes. because it forces you to adhere to things that needlessly hamper and frighten you. gives you false hope and breaks you down.
 
"And if your here trying to better the world."
 
fortunately this only takes  1-4% of my time on some days.
the rest i can invest in study.
 
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 11:08 GMT
"You a marxist without the murdering part. Is that it?"
 
and JUMP to conclusions..
seriously it's like talking against a tape.
 
"No matter how many tablets prove scripture was written before rome,"
 
that is NOT what the screen name is about.
 
it was COMPILED (the NT) from canonizes written EARLIER WORKS + the torah.
 
the bible as you read it now. is a compilation. there is probably loads more scripture out there that DIDN'T make it into the bible. why? because it was cencored.
look at the gnostics. look at the library of alexandria.
 
you build you faith on a  book that tells onyl a small part of your relgion, yet you continue to scouer history to support only that one censored version.
 
"You'll sneak your proven wrong nickname out when you think no one will notice. And then you'll deny ever having such a nick name."
 
i don't think so.
 
 
"And when I tell other Atheists this story. They will deny there ever even being an arguement for rome's part in the Bible text."
 
probaly because you never told them the full story because you seem to have a problem evne understandign the points we make.
that and the paranoid fantasies filter you employ.
 
"As far as I am concerned, until you correct your name. You are deceiving the people that don't know."
 
like i said. this is historc fact.
its a compilation date and event. nothign more. it sais nothing about when the texts used in compilation were written.
thus it's "thebiblewasCOMPILEDin325AD" and not "thebiblewasWRITTENin325D"
 
"They still have those phoney embrios in school books after all."
 
and the morphological and genetic similarities and patterns are STILL there too.
 
"Every Atheist that knows this is a liar and they know they are liars."
 
and not every christian is a paranoid halfassed reasoner as you.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 11:31 GMT
" They get a kick how I can go on and on without a breath"
 
something we have in commen i guess although i mostly spend my time listening carefully.
 
" I just read everything and know a lot of things,"
 
and you also know NOTHING about a lot of things.
 
"But, it's just I get the unfiltered news by reading away from the establishment atheists and look smarter than I am."
 
unfiltered in from fox?
 
"I know most atheist arguements."
 
oh yes...you have clearly "demonstrated" that....
 
" I just don't agree with what I learned. Before I learned, I was an atheist."
 
again i wonder why you have 0% of our motivations or beliefs.
 
"If you are over 35 or so and an Atheist, you are a fool. Or it feeds you and you have no choice."
 
aah..the age thing..
 
"and I am a very happy go lucky guy. People smile when I show up."
 
and another thing we have in common.
 
"they shut up, even if they think they won the fight. "
 
well ya, no use arguing a deaf wall.
 
"To think one can only take your path to get educated is a sign of indotrination"
 
which we claimed when? i'd say atheism is the result of my education, not the cause of it.
 
"but seems to me you are unable to think outside of what you learned."
 
and you seem incapable of picking up new information or even trying to care bout anothers viewpoint. instead relying on a preconcieved idea of that viewpoint.
 
"I got a 2 year degree. It means nothing. it is only training I received for a specialized field."
 
which is what they are for. to denomstrate you are capable of that one thign you spent time studying.
 
"Comparaed to some I know that know hardly anything outside of what they have been taught."
 
which isn't that unusual. they might know a lot more about other things. there's only so much time you can invest, and you choose to do it in things you are interested in.
 
"But i do have a hostility towards atheists, cause of their hostilty towards Christians."
 
you mean that one "in your face" atheist group?
you probalby know that the majority of us simply don't care untill we are provoced. like say....trying to teach creationism in science class.
 
"Then I realized what the writer was saying, and it's more christian bashing."
 
article? you mean that one line drworm wrote? which was so obviously a troll, and the rest he ripped form hovind.
 
"But you are right, when it comes to atheists, I get like this. But it doesn't mean I am justified, just human."
 
and one that seems to be unwillign to entertain deeper understandign it would appear. i'd have guessed someone like you would be fascinated to try and understand why and what we believe.
almost like....discovering a tribe in the rainforest.
 
'i like telling people about me and get people to get involved with my arguements with Atheists."
 
yet you are unwilling to skype. odd.
 
"But I don't hear much from atheists, they are real secretive with their private life."
 
must we plaster ourselves over the internet? perhpas because not everyone is supposed to have acces o that information. like hackers, stalkers and "that one guy that has it out for you in the town you live in".
 
" I am not. of course all my flaws get picked on for not hiding my idiosincracies, but hey, they know who I am"
 
you seem to have this understanding that "for real" means you have to completely reviel yourself and THEN start shouting. instead of actually caring and gettign deep into the issue.
 
"I know if you knew me, you wouldn't want to hurt my feelings, not out of fear, but how you know me."
 
unfortunately i care nothign for feeling. sure i'll employ soem tact. but if they are unjustified you'll hear it from me. and if the person won't budge, live and let live. of course...this only happend AFTER i've been provoced.
like when an ID er sais that ID is gettign such a bad name durign a cell biology class. at ended up that he and i thought amlost the same thing, but that he was a little more sure about there being an intelligence behind life. a very nebulas intelligence that is, not the kind of god most fundementalist creationists in disguise say did it.
 
"Atheism leads a man to evil and to support evil for a greater cause,"
 
aah the ends justify the means. this issue is much more nuanced.
and so is evil.
 
"It must be fought, or it will destroy us all."
 
unfortunately the atheism you are fightign is nothign like the atheist 99% of the atheist adhere to.
 
like we've been tryign to explain. you appear to live in paranoid fantisy regarding the atheists around you.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/06 - 11:37 GMT
"Oh, now you are worried about SEVERE abuse? Forget it. You don't care about the murders and hunt for Christians in China, or you think it isn't happening."
 
QUIT BEIGN SO SELF ABSORBED ABOUT CHRISTIANS,
what about the tibetians or the falug gong? why don't THEY seem to concern you? or the slavery, or child trafficing.
 
WHY do you value christians so much above everything else?
 
"I don't believe anything Atheists say."
 
my, what a novel way try to understand someone....and i was wondering why you where sucha  prick.
 
"But when we have Atheists advising people how to ship under age girls to America to force them to prostitude and who knows what else, I believe that, cause I trust the source."
.
...so in essence you are admitting to and insase amount of bias.
 
HOW DOES THIS JIVE WITH YOU>? how can someone who professed to know many things and doubt what he was taugh, BUY INTO SUCH CLEAR BIGGOTRY?
 
"You don't mind those foriegn children getting raped?"
 
you are sick for even thinking we wouldn't care
 
"You are a litterary conman."
 
and you an obnoxious asshole that appears to only want to stroke his ego with spewing falalcies against a strawman.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/06 - 11:42 GMT
"Okay, if the universe is finite then you should be able to answer two simple questions: where does the universe end, and what's outside the universe? (waiting...)"
 
i think mike was referrign to the finite amount of matter in the universe.
that misundestanding is easily made.
 
mike, sci was referrign to the infinate expansion of spacetime.
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/06 - 23:28 GMT
Now we are getting down to the nitty gritty.
 
If you say so.
 
Do you support:

1 marx?
 
Which one? Groucho, Harpo, Chico? No one ever picks Zeppo, of course.
 
2 communism?
 
Given a choice of unrealistic, Utopian philosophies, I'll take Ayn Rand's any day of the week. Ms. Rand also shoots a giant hole in your belief that all "Atheists" are commies - she was about as far from being a communist as is humanly possible.
 
But I'm sure you're the sort of person who believes that everyone in Canada is communist.
 
I know you were joking, but you didn't answer the question.
 
Because it was an idiotic question
 
They way you wrote it, you left a choice of both answers so, please clairfy.
 
Only if you're prone to making unwarranted assumptions and unable to detect irony.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/07 - 12:32 GMT
from about 40 to 153 posts... i'd say this is an extremelty sad account of ranting people findign the time to respond to it.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/07 - 21:36 GMT
Obvious? The oly thing that is obcious is that you agree with the premise, and when called on it, You said whatever it took, to hide the evil you know you support. You calling me stupid and crazy now. So what do you suggest you "smartest people of the world" do with so slugs like me?
 
You hide your evil heart man.
 
I hate atheism and what it does to people. Like I hate what ATHEISM has done to you.
 
If you claim it was a joke, then I call you a liar!!
 
Joke: LMAO....These people are nuts.
 
Angry(we have to do something): OMFG....These people are nuts.
 
Cmon' lie an insult me some more. It is what you have been doing best here on the post. Then say your Atheism hasn't made you a knowitall mean spirit, that won't admit he supports evil against Christians.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/07 - 22:06 GMT
I didn't miss the point. You showed your true colors. You are mean, arrogant and have no right to concider your opinion as fact and others as stupidity. If you talked this way to people on the street you would get attacked.
 
creationst research? Most major sciences came from creationist researchers. We even taught you Atheists how to tell time. lol
 
And guess what? Your Atheism has no grounds in issues of good and evil.
If there is good and evil, then it was the Bible it arose from. Without God, there is no good and evil, no basis for it. Or you are a dishonest Atheist.
 
So go ahead Genius, spout your rant how Atheism can except the concept of good and evil. Maybe you can take a course in college to learn it. And you can be even more smarterer than me. lol Gosh you're so smart. You ever take an IQ test? lol I bet it isn't as high as you wanted it be.
 
Mine is only 128. But gosh, you have to be at least 180-200, hell maybe higher. Were you born so smart or did all the years of having to be taught by someone else, make you so smarterer? lmao
 
" If I claim to be a wise man, then it surely means that I don't know".
 
Kansas.
 
Now stop acting like your fellow comrads and make a point without a cheap personal attack.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/07 - 22:16 GMT
"he oly thing that is obcious is that you agree with the premise, and when called on it, You said whatever it took, to hide the evil you know you support."
 
you really ought to go outside mike.
you need some real world, BAD.
 
' You calling me stupid and crazy now"
 
well stupid, because you rant about things you are horribly oblivious of.
and i'll not just call you crazy, i'd call you near batshit insane the way you act. i mean....not havign a rpoblem to self dmition of watching and believing ONLY biased propogangda...
FFS MAN! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!
 
"So what do you suggest you "smartest people of the world" do with so slugs like me?"
 
i'll answer it the same as i always do. WE EDUCATE YOU SO YOU WONT BE A "SLUG" ANYMORE.
really, why waste human capital?
 
"I hate atheism and what it does to people. Like I hate what ATHEISM has done to you."
 
what? turn me intoa  person who seeks civil dialogue? who loves others, who takes care of others? who aspires to work for the betterment of human knowledge? WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN A GOD?
 
in almost all ways, you've already demonstrated that you are simply mirroring your own pshyche on  others.
 
"If you claim it was a joke, then I call you a liar!!"
 
aah the words "BECAUSE I KNOW YOU BETTER THEN YOU KNOW YOURSELF (screamed in near insane rant tone)" come to mind...
 
"Joke: LMAO....These people are nuts."
 
no, you are nuts.
if you said this in person in any platform whatsoever (outside your own little circle) you would be laughed at...immensly.
 
i offered you an option of dialogue, you refused, hiding behind your age and "experience". your experience is a joke, you have demonstrated an extraordinary lack of understandign of evne the most basic of social norms, and scientific concepts.
 
"Cmon' lie an insult me some more."
 
or do what? it's not like you were open to any sort of dialogue anyway, you said so yourself. you apperently just come here to troll atheists. hell, you''re even worse then ronnie, the only thing he was after was an echo chamber, not a wall.
 
"Then say your Atheism hasn't made you a knowitall mean spirit"
 
ooh yes....this again.
the gap of knowledge you posses is to blam efor your own failure at backing up statements. not us.
 
"that won't admit he supports evil against Christians."
 
go live on in your own little buble fanasy where only christians matter.
i'd muchr rathe rhelp all of humanity.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/07 - 22:26 GMT
That's not what it meant. gees  you are so smart. But I thought a smart person would be more polite. I guess that is reserved for who? stupid people? Oh ic it's the smart people who are the polite ones. Damn, I need moral guidance. hmm is politeness ...... wait I am wrong.
being polite is a matter of good and evil of sorts, not how smart you are, right? well, now I know why you are so impolite. You don't know any better. hmm, but if you do know better, you are just ignoring it. Or worse.
 
Confused again?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/07 - 22:33 GMT
"You are mean, arrogant and have no right to concider your opinion as fact and others as stupidity"
 
again you SEVERLY miss the point.
 
" If you talked this way to people on the street you would get attacked."
 
and you would eventually get shot (if you spoke to teh wrong person). because propor dialogue would fail after several hours.
 
"creationst research? Most major sciences came from creationist researchers."
 
so what? NONE OF THERE RESEARCH USED CREATIONISM AS A RESEARHC METHODOLOGY.
 
"We even taught you Atheists how to tell time. lol"
 
that would have been heathens keeping tract of the stars.
 
'And guess what? Your Atheism has no grounds in issues of good and evil."
 
really old and really falacious.
you sir hold evil. you gloat in your own ignorance, bias, arrogance, and delusions .
it's almost physically sickening.
 
"If there is good and evil, then it was the Bible it arose from."
 
like condoning slavery? marrying your rapist? KILLING THE NON BELIVERS?
 
i can almost hear you repeat those words as you stand over an shot abortion docter, or an hinduist.

"Without God, there is no good and evil, no basis for it"
 
euthepho.
 
"Or you are a dishonest Atheist."
 
"because not agreeign mith me is lieing!"...really i would have thought at your age you would have had more comprehension, or repsect.
 
"So go ahead Genius, spout your rant how Atheism can except the concept of good and evil."
 
i would go for minimum suffering with maximum resuts. usign compromises and a few simple ground rules. (note there isa  difference between right and wrong, and good and evil).
it might eb evil to kill a man, but right if it saves the lives of others.
 
"Maybe you can take a course in college to learn it."
 
oh your ignorance just keeps gettign mroe and more amazing.
 
" And you can be even more smarterer than me. lol Gosh you're so smart."
 
and gosh are you asinine and pompous..
 
"You ever take an IQ test? lol I bet it isn't as high as you wanted it be."
 
IQ tests are onyl a temporary statistic. they should not bee relied on as a "end all" means to determine intelligence. merely an indicator.
unfortunatly your "chess" references seem to indicate you do think they carry an all powerfull authorety.
 
"Mine is only 128. But gosh, you have to be at least 180-200,"
 
if it where 180 i wouldn't be here, i would already be in a lab studying protien mechanics in nucliar membrames.
 
but if you are curious, it's still higher then yours.
 
"Were you born so smart or did all the years of having to be taught by someone else, make you so smarterer?"
 
it is botha  nature and nurture concept. i believe the current concensus was largely nurture...if you have no abnormalities.
 
"Kansas."
 
great song.
 
"Now stop acting like your fellow comrads and make a point without a cheap personal attack."
 
i think all that "dust in the wind" made you miss all those isntances we already did. look over the forum, or ACTUALLY TALK TO US! pm-pm or even ...f2f O_O?
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/07 - 22:36 GMT
Well, if you listen to the Atheists, I would say Marx had none killed. Because I never heard an Atheist say anything bad about Marx. And they always deny the murders one way or another. and they ask me things like how many exactly did he kill? Sounds like a holocaust denyer question, no? truth always oozes out when you pry these followers of hate long enough.
 
Marx's philosophy made him evil, like it is doing to you and every other FOLLOWER!
 
After all, your mind is so open evidenced by reading your text. lol
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/07 - 22:37 GMT
"But I thought a smart person would be more polite."
 
you have already displayed such civility is wasted on you. i tried so in the PM, evne in the initial posts.
 
but you get what you give.
 
"being polite is a matter of good and evil of sorts, not how smart you are, right?"
 
non of the above.
it has to do with the willingness to learn and understand anothe rhuman being.
 
"You don't know any better."
 
do you want be to copypaste my initial pm to you?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/07 - 22:44 GMT
"|Sounds like a holocaust denyer question, no?"
 
OY FU!
 
i went to bergen belsen, and i suggest you do the same.
hell, go germany and watch the museum exibits, just look at how hitler flaunted the cross for his reich.
what you just said has breached ALL levels of acceptability.
as a european I am deeply insulted that ANYONE would even think to say that in the light of sci, or my own responses.
 
you can call me any name in the book, i could care less.
but to show such deep regard to the jewsih, roma, homosexual and russian (COMMUNISTS! but you probably didn't know that, did you?) victims is absolutely DEPLORABLE.
 
"After all, your mind is so open evidenced by reading your text. lol"
 
no, but your baseless hat is
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/07 - 22:47 GMT
Gees you gang bangers really are perfect examples of Atheism for everyone to see. All you do is repeat like parrots exactly what your teachers taught and call everybody names like children. Polly want a cracker? Of course we all here realize you 2 needed someone to teach you. Some people teach themselves. Shame you didn't learn how to be civil. Mean, and don't care about anyone but themselves. The lesson will come your way when you abuse people so. I bet you they may be payed to post here. Government funding prolly. lol But keep it coming guys. I will use this meterial. And you guys make it easy. :)
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/07 - 22:53 GMT
Asking why you support the post and I get "it was a joke", and "there are good camps too.  I was lied to, and I was lied to as to hide your true sentiments. Plain and simple. I can't help it if you secretly support this but don't want to go public. If I am wrong, you guys would have admonished it this originally, instead of making excuses for it. Now we know it is just cover.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/07 - 23:03 GMT
That's right and it is and was atheist proganda that conitually fights this assersation, not because they are being wronged, because they are guilty. They continue to this day to follow the templet. And you guys proved it for me. Atheists really want us out of the way, but if they say it, it will all be over for them.
 
And I bet these 2 liked the towers coming down and hide that too. You don't know what to believe when dealing with this evil philosophy. It's people are capable of anything.
 
Just read their posts. bitter, mean, full of hate.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/07 - 23:31 GMT
The evil is in the title. the body is the action needed for the problem in the Title.
 
No, i never think to get rid of anyone. But what I see is you folks thinking that and I say if you think that, let's get this secret war you are in started, so we christians stop acting like it is a debate, and tell them when they write posts like this, that they either denounce it or say they agree like men, and get this war on. Not because I want war. Cause I know these evil souls have been at war with us, secretly.
 
And is evident, how they dodged the putting the christians away comment and lied.
 
give me your address in private message. If you want to get it on by saying it. I am game fool. You see I know your the weakiling acting manly. so, let's hook up and we'll see who is the loud mouth that can't really fight. lol Go to my youtube channel and see me. not much for a man that is willing to tell me I am crazy and need to be dealt with.
 
Not at your home or anything. in a park or something. maybe we can show the results on you tube. But I assure you, there will be a fight if you got the balls to say that to my face.
 
my youtube channel is easymoney4ever.com. Who could I possibly hur? So you see me. You really want to say that to me? we'll fight. on camera.
 
And i'm an old man. 48. you?
 
You can play semantics all you want. You know damn well what I meant. You were just convolutling things to avoid facing the facts of how you really feel, has been revealed. Too late now to say how bad it was now, after making false excuses as to your judgement of right and wrong. In the good and evil context. If you have to wait and be broken down by a dumb creationist, before you rale against evil, maybe you should come to me first so I can tell you the difference.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/08 - 0:02 GMT
well if that's the case, then you have no business even acknowkedging God whether it is to say there is or isn't. According to you, you can't even know if I am God or not. So how could you even say anything about what the "crazy" Christian said, if you know nothing of God at all by your own admission. You would have to disagree with God to make him real. And if you know nothing either way, how are you to know he is crazy?
 
But I have a history book to explain to us our arival here. Now be careful.
cause if God is inconceivable, then you couldn't possibly know an history of the world, since we have the testamony of our ancestors, then you can't try to deny us it because you don't have one of your own, you just bash ours. That's how we got the karan you know. They wanted their own God.
How can you have a "there is a no God" book first silly. You see, as far as i am concerned, we have the oldest book of our history, and you are just anti that book. You have no historical basis to argue at all. For without God, there are no Atheists.
 
You guys are smart right? But no depth. That is saved for adults, not name calling kids.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/08 - 3:02 GMT
"Gees you gang bangers really are perfect examples of Atheism for everyone to see. All you do is repeat like parrots exactly what your teachers taught and call everybody names like children"
 
pot.kettle.black.
 
"Some people teach themselves."
 
so you learned maths on your own? or physics?
 
"Shame you didn't learn how to be civil. Mean, and don't care about anyone but themselves."
 
why aren't we drawing conclusions..
 
"The lesson will come your way when you abuse people so."
 
me being a live and let live atheist untill provoced.....
 
" I bet you they may be payed to post here."
 
HAHAHA completly absurd.
have you looked at the postign patterns? they aren't really 9 to 5 here.
 
"Government funding prolly"
 
[WE ARE THE evil chrisitan democrat led coalition of NL. BOOOOOO!!!! fear us......]
 
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/08 - 3:07 GMT
"Asking why you support the post and I get "it was a joke""
 
and convienitently omitted that we DID not apporve of it if it were really the case.
 
""there are good camps too."
 
 
quotemine, and blatant.
i put a question mark there and explained that you immidiately leapt to conclusions that it "must have been concentrationlager".
 
" Plain and simple."
 
and yet abviously clear that you missed the point.
 
'I can't help it if you secretly support this but don't want to go public."
 
and the reaosn you would think us batshit enough to do so is:
EVIL ATHEIST CABAL!
 
"If I am wrong, you guys would have admonished it this originally, instead of making excuses for it."
 
not out fault that you were incapable of recognizing the troll and then spewed idiotic bigotry that had to be adressed in it's own right.
 
" Now we know it is just cover."
 
no, now YOU think.
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/08 - 3:10 GMT
"And I bet these 2 liked the towers coming down and hide that too."
 
does everyone also suddenly feel incredibly sorry for mikes lowely idea of humanity?
 
"It's people are capable of anything."
 
[ALLAH AHKBAR! ISRAEL JIHAD!]
boooom.
 
"Just read their posts. bitter, mean, full of hate."
 
anothe rperson who doesn't recognize cynicism.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
4 days - 11,669v
Posted 2010/03/08 - 3:15 GMT
*Walks into thread*

...What are we on about here, folks?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
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Posted 2010/03/08 - 3:23 GMT
"f you want to get it on by saying it. I am game fool. You see I know your the weakiling acting manly."
 
and when have i been threathing with physical violence like you?
beside i hardly think you feel like paying several hundred dollars for an economoy ticked al the way to NL, then board a train. hell at least not with airport security the way it is now.
 
"so, let's hook up and we'll see who is the loud mouth that can't really fight."
 
eh what? you actually want to fight? forget it i'm not going stain my karate suit with blood outside of offical matches. beside i was after dialogue, not blood sport.
 
"o to my youtube channel and see me"
link?
 
"not much for a man that is willing to tell me I am crazy and need to be dealt with."
 
i'm dealing with you, right now.
 
"Not at your home or anything. in a park or something. maybe we can show the results on you tube."
 
at least do not do it (the formet) venomfangx'esque.
 
":But I assure you, there will be a fight if you got the balls to say that to my face."
 
call you increadibly ignroant because of what you say about evolution and atheism.
eventhough you have "Genetics" on the list of your hobbies.
 
"Who could I possibly hur?"
 
the very thaugh of you feeling the need to hurt another human being over somehtign as...almost trivial as this..
it'saddning.
 
"And i'm an old man. 48. you?"
 
didn;'t i already say?
18
 
"You can play semantics all you want. You know damn well what I meant. You were just convolutling things to avoid facing the facts of how you really feel, has been revealed."
 
you have absolutely no idea of how i feel. quit acting like i do.
 
"Too late now to say how bad it was now, after making false excuses as to your judgement of right and wrong. In the good and evil context"
 
false excuses?
i have a moral compas, and it's not from a book. it's from my empaphy and my reasoning skills.
 
"If you have to wait and be broken down by a dumb creationist, before you rale against evil, maybe you should come to me first so I can tell you the difference."
 
some creationsit already tried.
he failed miserably, walked away. he got pissed over sicklecell anemia being an slective advantage in maleria strikken areas.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/08 - 3:34 GMT
"According to you, you can't even know if I am God or not."
 
describ god.
do you have all those properties? no?
then you are not god.
does nothgin have these properties? then i have no reason to believe there is a god.
 
"o how could you even say anything about what the "crazy" Christian said, if you know nothing of God at all by your own admission."
 
aaaah, what is god.
and entirely different question in itself.
tell me, what is (your) god?
 
"And if you know nothing either way, how are you to know he is crazy?"
 
if there there is a god, and he is jaweh as described in the OT, then he is extremely thirsty for blood, and has quite a temper. i would call that quite crazy if he is also all loving.
 
'
But I have a history book to explain to us our arival here. Now be careful.
cause if God is inconceivable, then you couldn't possibly know an history of the world, since we have the testamony of our ancestors, then you can't try to deny us it because you don't have one of your own, you just bash ours."
 
that is barely coherent but i think i can distill it.
 
age goes beyond written records. humanity was not here from the
beginning.
 
"That's how we got the karan you know. They wanted their own God."
 
...any muslim would insult you now for disgracing the Qu'ran that way.....
 
but it's not just their version of your god.
it goes further. then that. every theist has a personal version of god. and eventhough they might all share the same arch strucure, the devil will be in the details.
 
"How can you have a "there is a no God" book first silly. You see, as far as i am concerned, we have the oldest book of our history"
 
half of which wasn't evne a book before 325AD.
 
"and you are just anti that book."
 
my your reasoning skill are incredable...ly shortsighted.
 
"You have no historical basis to argue at all."
 
archeology, geology, genetics, biology, OTHER civilizations, hell, we have en even larger database to argue form then you have with you little book.
 
"For without God, there are no Atheists."
 
correction, there would be ONLY atheists.
as there is no claim to accept to begin with.
 
"You guys are smart right? But no depth. That is saved for adults, not name calling kids."
 
again with the age card.
really, i have seen what age does to you reasonign skills when it coems to religion...and it's not nice.
 
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/08 - 3:36 GMT
"
...What are we on about here, folks?"
 
mortal combat between an middle age creationists and and 18 year old student>?
 
i really have no clue either.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2010/03/08 - 17:15 GMT
rapid growth? xD
your kidding right? the amount of people in the church in my country is steadily declining year after year.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/11 - 5:58 GMT
Obvious? The oly thing that is obcious is that you agree with the premise
 
Sorry, but the only "obcious" thing here is your prejudice against atheism.
 
me stupid and crazy now.
 
That sounds about right.
 
So what do you suggest you "smartest people of the world" do with so slugs like me?
 
I'll borrow a quote from Arthur C. Clarke:
 
"You will find men like him in all of the world's religions. They know that we represent reason and science, and, however confident they may be in their beliefs, they fear that we will overthrow their gods. Not necessarily through any deliberate act, but in a subtler fashion. Science can destroy a religion by ignoring it as well as by disproving its tenets. No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, the nonexistance of Zeus or Thor, but they have few followers now."
 
If you claim it was a joke, then I call you a liar!!
 
Too bad I described it as a troll post, not a joke. Whoops!
 
Then say your Atheism hasn't made you a knowitall mean spirit, that won't admit he supports evil against Christians.
 
And out comes the passive-aggressive self-pity, that's just adorable.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/11 - 17:29 GMT
You are mean, arrogant and have no right to concider your opinion as fact and others as stupidity.
 
Sure we do, especially when you can't back up anything you say. And on the one or two occasions when you've tried, you veered off into inane rambling about Marx and Hitler almost immediately.
 
If you talked this way to people on the street you would get attacked.
 
The Internet Tough Guy is back, I see.
 
creationst research? Most major sciences came from creationist researchers. We even taught you Atheists how to tell time. lol
 
lol thanks, I forgot to add that one to the list of your fallacious claims lol.
 
 
lol
 
If there is good and evil, then it was the Bible it arose from. Without God, there is no good and evil, no basis for it. Or you are a dishonest Atheist.
 
Okay, so we can now add Social Contract Theory to the list of things you have no clue about.
 
So go ahead Genius, spout your rant how Atheism can except the concept of good and evil. Maybe you can take a course in college to learn it.
 
Yes, it's called "First Year Introductory Philosophy" - a course you clearly never attended.
 
Or you could, ya know, read a book once in a while.
 
“Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other 'sins' are invented nonsense.” -Robert A. Heinlein, who also happened to be an atheist
 
And you can be even more smarterer than me. lol Gosh you're so smart. You ever take an IQ test? lol I bet it isn't as high as you wanted it be.
 
You're starting to look almost as silly as Kent Clark, another creationist - who tried to "win" an argument here by saying "Oh yeah, well I bet you can't field-strip an M16."
 
Why do you guys always start flinging out the irrelevant BS like that? Anything to avoid engaging in honest debate, I guess.
 
Now stop acting like your fellow comrads and make a point without a cheap personal attack.
 
Pot, Kettle, Black.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/11 - 17:56 GMT
That's not what it meant. gees  you are so smart. 
 
That's not what *WHAT* meant? *Facepalm*
 
But I thought a smart person would be more polite. I guess that is reserved for who? stupid people?
 
I reserve politeness for people who behave like civil adults. Why should any of us be polite or civil to you, when you haven't demonstrated either of those qualities yourself? 
 
Oh ic it's the smart people who are the polite ones. Damn, I need moral guidance. hmm is politeness ...... wait I am wrong.
 
It looks like you're trying to engage in sarcasm, but I haven't the faintest idea what you're trying to say.
 
being polite is a matter of good and evil of sorts, not how smart you are, right? well, now I know why you are so impolite. You don't know any better. hmm, but if you do know better, you are just ignoring it. Or worse.
 
Corey already addressed that: "Expect to get dirty when you throw mud." And I've already mentioned the symmetry principle - "don't expect to be treated any differently than you treat others."
 
From pretty much your first post here, you've been constantly ranting on about how all atheists are evil, comparable to Hitler, etc - and you think that earns you a polite response? Seriously?
 
Confused again?
 
If so, that would make two of us.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/11 - 20:14 GMT
Well, if you listen to the Atheists, I would say Marx had none killed.
 
Okay, and aside from the "some people say" mischaracterization of "Atheists," who exactly did Marx have killed? Or can provide even a single quote here Marx advocated murder? 
 
Here, I'll make it easy for you - the entire text of the Communist Manifesto is readily available online:
 
 
Because I never heard an Atheist say anything bad about Marx.
 
You must have some serious blinders on, then. Five seconds effort with Google turned up this quote from Ayn Rand, who was most certainly an atheist:
 
"Socialism is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good." 
 
In case you're going try to lay claim to her, like you attempted with Newton, here's another quote of hers:
 
"To rest one's case on faith means to concede that reason is on the side of one's enemies- that one has no rational arguments to offer."
 
And they always deny the murders one way or another. and they ask me things like how many exactly did he kill? Sounds like a holocaust denyer question, no? truth always oozes out when you pry these followers of hate long enough.
 
So, in your world, asking you to back up an accusation of murder is tantamount to holocaust denial? Wow.
 
Marx's philosophy made him evil, like it is doing to you and every other FOLLOWER!
 
Haha - if you knew the first thing about me, you would realize how absurd that statement is.
 
After all, your mind is so open evidenced by reading your text. lol
 
I've released a text? That's news to me zomgwtfbbqlol.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/11 - 20:47 GMT
Asking why you support the post and I get "it was a joke"
 
Stop lying, Mikey. Doing a search for "it was a joke" in this thread finds only posts from you, and quoted text from your posts.
 
My exact words were "DrWorm was obviously trolling and, as a result, we're not stupid enough to take his post seriously."
 
If you think that means "it was a joke," then I'm afraid you fail at reading comprehension.
 
I was lied to, and I was lied to as to hide your true sentiments. Plain and simple. I can't help it if you secretly support this but don't want to go public.
 
So you've decided to completely throw honesty out the window, eh Mikey?
 
If I am wrong, you guys would have admonished it this originally, instead of making excuses for it. Now we know it is just cover.
 
Already addressed:
 
 
Yawn. Next lie, Mikey? I'm sure it won't take you long.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/11 - 20:55 GMT
That's right and it is and was atheist proganda that conitually fights this assersation,
 
WHAT is right? What "assersation" [sic]? From the pattern of semi-literacy, I'm guessing that creationists come here after being run out of talk.origins for their inability to quote or attribute.
 
not because they are being wronged, because they are guilty. They continue to this day to follow the templet. And you guys proved it for me. Atheists really want us out of the way, but if they say it, it will all be over for them.
 
Post proof or STFU.
 
And I bet these 2 liked the towers coming down and hide that too. You don't know what to believe when dealing with this evil philosophy. It's people are capable of anything.

Just read their posts. bitter, mean, full of hate.
 
You know what, Mikey? Those two paragraphs illustrate your insane prejudices much better than I ever could - I think I'll just let your words stand on their own.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/03/11 - 21:05 GMT
Wow. Spoken like a real......ah... boy. You are lost and bitter kid. Just leave me alone. You just say whatever you want. Nothing is meaningful to you but your hatred. And if you ever talked to me like that in person, you would get your arrogant punk ass kicked. And if you think I am bluffing, call me on it!
 
And yes. you phoney. I am here as I am in real life. But I don't get this aggression in real life, only here. Where there are know it all geeks who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. But you hide behind a screen name you act like you are not afraid to say anything, anytime, to anyone. Imp comes to mind. You need a spanking.
 
And stop the lies. SiFi bore.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/11 - 21:36 GMT
The evil is in the title.
 
This from a guy who started a thread called "How to exterminate every single Atheist on earth."
 
No, i never think to get rid of anyone. But what I see is you folks thinking that and I say if you think that, let's get this secret war you are in started,
 
Tinfoil hats, get yer tinfoil hats here!
 
so we christians stop acting like it is a debate,
 
Don't think that will be a problem. None of the fundamentalists I've seen here could debate their way out of a wet paper bag.
 
and tell them when they write posts like this, that they either denounce it or say they agree like men,
 
So in your mind, there are only two possibilities - denouncing something (even when it's clearly designed for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of people), or condoning it? Does the word "simplistic" mean anything to you?
 
But if you need it spelled out for you, here it is in the simplest possible terms: no, I don't support putting anyone in camps (including right-wing Christians).
 
Not because I want war. Cause I know these evil souls have been at war with us, secretly.
 
Ahh, watch out for those black helicopters!
 
And is evident, how they dodged the putting the christians away comment and lied.
 
"dodged" - hmm, I wonder where you copy-pasted that from. Riding my coattails again, eh Mikey?
 
give me your address in private message. If you want to get it on by saying it. I am game fool. You see I know your the weakiling acting manly. so, let's hook up and we'll see who is the loud mouth that can't really fight. lol Go to my youtube channel and see me. not much for a man that is willing to tell me I am crazy and need to be dealt with.

Not at your home or anything. in a park or something. maybe we can show the results on you tube. But I assure you, there will be a fight if you got the balls to say that to my face.
 
Back to the Internet Tough Guy schtick, eh?
 
I already made you the standard offer I make to all Internet Tough Guys: you pay my travel (first-class only) and accommodations (four-star or better), and I'll see you there. Waiting...
 
Oh, and what was it you said in the other thread?
 
One of them wants to meet with me to say something to my face.
 
Sounds like it's the other way around, Mikey.
 
my youtube channel is easymoney4ever.com. Who could I possibly hur? So you see me. You really want to say that to me? we'll fight. on camera.
 
Interesting website too, looks like it's really http://www.tvtravelbiz.com/cl1752 - with the real URL hidden behind frames, that is (don't worry, I used an anonymous browsing proxy).
 
And i'm an old man. 48. you?
 
Uh, what? That came right out of left field - what relevance does my age have to... anything?
 
You can play semantics all you want. You know damn well what I meant.
 
No, not really. I'm not even certain that you knew what you meant.
 
If you have to wait and be broken down by a dumb creationist, before you rale against evil, maybe you should come to me first so I can tell you the difference.
 
In other words, you can't tell the difference between someone trolling for angry responses (nice job giving DrWorm what he wanted, by the way) and someone seriously suggesting that millions of people should be put into camps.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/11 - 21:38 GMT
"I read the part about how he thought darwin had it right."
 
which would be where?
 
Mikey's response to that question (silence) speaks volumes, doesn't it?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/03/11 - 21:42 GMT
*Walks into thread*

...What are we on about here, folks?
 
Your guess is as good as mine - still trying to figure that out myself.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/03/12 - 10:55 GMT
" Just leave me alone."
 
....srly.
do you REALLY expect well leave you alone when you post.
 
"Nothing is meaningful to you but your hatred. And if you ever talked to me like that in person, you would get your arrogant punk ass kicked."
 
btw, more internet tough guy XD
 
" I am here as I am in real life."
 
then i would AGAIN seriously recommend you consult an psychiatrists for your anger issues.
 
"But I don't get this aggression in real life, only here."
 
and yet you give anecdotes of broken jaws....how.....odd.
 
"Where there are know it all geeks who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag."
 
ooh, i'm not so sure about that mikey.
 
". But you hide behind a screen name you act like you are not afraid to say anything, anytime, to anyone."
 
hide behind a screen name?
I ASKED YOU FOR A DIRECT CONVERSATION ON SKYPE.
how is that "hiding" behind a screen name?
 
"And stop the lies."
 
and you'll quote his lie now, right?
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/06/10 - 14:52 GMT
most of the founding sciences were brought forth by these deluded believers. You say believing prevents progress is an outright lie. Now believing your word that you are all knowing, you must be a liar. After all if those Atheists had not slaughtered that hundred million, you think we may have had more progress? matbe? I don't even know why I waste my breath on people who just lie to themselves and everyone else and don't feel any remorse for it. Oh, that's right, your philosophy teaches you that the ends justifies the means. You are exactly what hampers progress. How can you progress if your philosophy is built on lies. That's why the muslims will be having their way with your little girls. You Europeans won't wake up til your gates are breeched. By then, you'll wish for a gulog.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
15 hours - 580v
Posted 2010/06/10 - 14:58 GMT
OMFG... these people are nuts. Just look at the quanity of their posts!!! Unbelievable. No life man. You are fat guys, ain't you. lol Ok you porkys, I have to go now. I'll come back in a month or so, when I get more time. You freaks are spooky. Probably be 500 more posts by them. I think I can safely call you guys no life losers.
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/06/10 - 17:26 GMT
"most of the founding sciences were brought forth by these deluded believers."
 
so?
they didn't impose their religious dogma into their research methods or studies.
that's what is important.
 
' You say believing prevents progress is an outright lie."
if you can't become a biotechnicien because you deny ToE. then i say it prevents progress.
 
:"are all knowing"
 
which we claimed when?

"you think we may have had more progress"
indeed.
stalins pranioa and moa's "back to the roots" policies have cost russia and china considereable human capital.
 
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Re: OMFG....These people are nuts.
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/06/10 - 17:27 GMT
"No life man. You are fat guys, ain't you."
 
i was waiting for that one to pop up.,
19 BMI
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