I know Ben can't wait to sock-puppet his way in here.
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Who Will Ben/Sci-borg/Ron's evil bro/Attorney, Return as Next?
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I know Ben can't wait to sock-puppet his way in here.
Submitted By ronnie(l.a.) on 10/01/26
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Who Will Ben the rationalist, also known as /Sci-borg the doctor of science/Ron'sevilbro the Attorney, return as Next? I think it's funny he left after making perveted jokes about Christ.
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Jan 26th - 22:28 GMT
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well dude we were but then they just started getting mad and mocking peoples religions and the Bible. i see they just wanna waste people's time. bigdog and ellman helped me see that.
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Jan 27th - 11:39 GMT
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"well dude we were but then they just started getting mad and mocking peoples religions and the Bible."
no you where not ronnie. you haven't even TRIED to refraim from flaming or being a all out prick when it comes to being honest and correcting your mistakes. oh and about that "mocking peoples beliefs". if you are willing to perpetuate your BELIEFS on a PUBLIC forum, when they will influence OTHER people. you better be dam sure you can justify them with sound reasoning and evidence. and hiding behind "because I JUST BELIEVE" isn't going to cut it as support. like i explained to thedude. it's with creationists like YOU and hovind we have a problem with, not with the people who keep their beliefs to themselves.
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Feb 18th - 15:36 GMT
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You cowards don't have the guts to mock people face to face. Last punk that mocked me got a broken jaw when he got aggressive cause I called him the evil little slug he was. But that is all the aggression I ever got from an Atheist in public, face to face. They only do it behind the anonimity of the pc. You never see this in real life. Remember they are the anti war people. Yep, for a good reason too. lol
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Feb 19th - 13:09 GMT
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"You cowards don't have the guts to mock people face to face. "
HAHAHAHA...silly you
you forgot i've been aksing you people for skype conversations FOR MONTHS NOW>
"Last punk that mocked me got a broken jaw when he got aggressive cause I called him the evil little slug he was."
how very christian of you...
and is that a threat btw?
"But that is all the aggression I ever got from an Atheist in public, face to face."
aaah, i see you don't think most of our "live and let live" mentality is useless... how sad.
do you really think there is any point in conversing with EVERY theist you meet? that's utterly useless.
most of us don't bring up the conversation topic unless the theists start first.
we don't hit untill we are hit, so to speak.
"They only do it behind the anonimity of the pc."
well that's hilarious. seeign as ronnie is abusing that to the max.
but srly. i gave you an opening to skype and an jahoo adress. that's hardly anonymous.
"You never see this in real life."
ah contrair. i've actually had a nice conversation witha friend of mine, who IS a reformed christian (from a strict household).
of course her beign in university aswell has lead her to....question her faith...
"Remember they are the anti war people." most of uss would indeed abhorr needless killing, wouldn't you?
"Yep, for a good reason too. lol"
don't call us cowards from you own pc somewhere far away. it doesn't suit a civil person.
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Feb 28th - 23:45 GMT
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"Last punk that mocked me got a broken jaw when he got aggressive
cause I called him the evil little slug he was."
how very christian of you... Apparently, this is what it says in mwolf's Biblbe:
"If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. But if someone mocks you, call him an evil little slug and break his jaw!"
and is that a threat btw?
It's clearly meant as a veiled threat, but it looks like he didn't have the guts to come right now and make the threat directly.
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4 days ago (Mar 6th - 0:12 GMT)
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No, I defended myself. Just wasn't afraid of his agression. But yea, Jesus probably would have turned the other cheek. I never said I was going to heaven, and I did some bad crap in my day, but hey I was an Atheist too. I am sorry I wrote that though, brother. I reread it when I calmed down and felt bad. So I was wrong about that. Evil even. I ought not get like that.
But yea, at this moment, if I die I know I'll go to hell, but my heart is on God's side. It's like a rebelious kid, when he realizes his dad was right, he is still a rebel, but he just grew up a bit. Coming around to god was not only logical, but inevidable i think. I hope to be free of my agnosticism
soon. but even if I can't, I judge myself as guilty and owe. So I try to do things for people for free as a duty tax on myself of sorts.
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4 days ago (Mar 6th - 0:49 GMT)
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yea, you are right about that. People don't really talk about this in public at all. friends and families mostly. But in public, we don't go as far. So touche'. I still think it is reasonable to believe in a creator without having a bunch of people calling you a lazy idiot when you know you are not. I could do an experiment to settle this one. I could do 2 videos, 1 supporting Christianity, and 1 supporting Atheism. and see what responses I get. I can upload to about 50,000 people now. I thought I was the only Christian that loses control like the Atheists posters do.
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Feb 28th - 23:13 GMT
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You cowards don't have the guts to mock people face to face. Last punk
that mocked me got a broken jaw when he got aggressive cause I called
him the evil little slug he was. But that is all the aggression I ever
got from an Atheist in public, face to face.
Many of the people I went to highschool with used the same tactic whenever someone disagreed with them - "Oh yeah? Well... uh.... I'll kick your ass!"
When you resort to "internet tough guy" posturing, the message you send is that you need to fall back on intimidation attempts as a desperate last-gasp because you simply can't cut it in honest written debate.
They only do it behind the anonimity of the pc. You never see this in
real life. Remember they are the anti war people. Yep, for a good reason
too.
...says the the fellow trying to act like a tough guy, from behind his keyboard.
lol
Well, that makes at least one person who's impressed by your shining wit.
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4 days ago (Mar 6th - 1:05 GMT)
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hehe, I guess I asked for that one. But, i only hit back. Like on these forums. Atheist are insulting at will, and since they are the smart ones(geeks), we are the dumb tough ones. lol You Atheists can't have your cake and eat it too. :)
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4 days ago (Mar 6th - 1:08 GMT)
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ronnie, relax dude, these guys are preditors. They won't have mercy on you. Say your peace brother, and move on. And hope they aren't stalkers. lol
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1 day ago (Mar 9th - 15:04 GMT)
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Say your peace brother, and move on. And hope they aren't stalkers. lol
Sorry, but after a quick glance at posting histories (especially ronnie's 400-post thread), I'd say you guys have the market cornered on obsessive behaviour 'round these parts.
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Feb 3rd - 20:02 GMT
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well dude we were but then they just started getting mad and mocking
peoples religions and the Bible. i see they just wanna waste people's
time. bigdog and ellman helped me see that.
....uh huh, I can't imagine why anyone would mock a group of people who accuse those who disagree with them of being homosexual communist child molesters.
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Jan 27th - 11:36 GMT
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well, im suprised ytou didn't add me or ellman to the list. " think it's funny he left after making perveted jokes about Christ. (http://forum.freehovind.com/view-6695) May God forgive him. " [edit, since ronnie apparently didn´t understand] aghum* translation* "I CRAIM VICTOLLY!"
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Jan 29th - 16:29 GMT
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365 says: "aghum*
I CRAIM VICTOLLY." What an idiot.
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Jan 29th - 16:30 GMT
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365 says: "aghum*
I CRAIM VICTOLLY." What an idiot.
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Jan 30th - 14:33 GMT
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"365 says: "aghum*
I CRAIM VICTOLLY." What an idiot." ah, now im sure of it.
you are grammatically impaired.
otherwise you WOULD HAVE RECOGNIZED THE SACRCASTIC TRANSLATION WITH THE QUOTATION MARKS.
come to think of it.... this isn't the first time i translated your "i win" proclimations that way. so that's makes you even more excuseless.
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Jan 31st - 0:24 GMT
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nah doesn't matter your still an idiot.
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Jan 31st - 2:50 GMT
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"nah doesn't matter your still an idiot."
That settles it. A box of rocks would know the difference between "your" and "you're."
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4 days ago (Mar 6th - 1:15 GMT)
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You are a piece of crap if that's how you treat people. I make that mistake too, but I know the difference. This is why there will be war, people who think they are better, trying to control us. You people (Atheists) are becoming what you supposedly hate. Elitists. Agnostic my ass.
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Feb 3rd - 20:16 GMT
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nah doesn't matter your still an idiot.
Wow. You truly are a master debater, ronnie.
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4 days ago (Mar 6th - 1:28 GMT)
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3 of you feeding like sharks. No, you people ain't evil. I am mad all over again, seeing what you creeps are doing to this kid GRRRRRRR. I hate Atheism and it's evil sheep. Unbelievable!
Ronnie, don't pay attention to these gorillas. Just keep researching what you want to learn. Trust the creationists, most are good, honest men. And believe what they tell you.
You'll know the frauds out there with some reading. All creationists aren't in it for the money. Just watch the ones that are. They will say anything too.
Some people have trouble writing, even though they have half a brain. My wife is astoundingly slow witted sometimes, and just can't comprehend the simplest of mechanical things, but writes and spells better than I do, I know, it's not saying much.But just keep writing and it will get better. :)
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2 days ago (Mar 8th - 4:09 GMT)
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"3 of you feeding like sharks. No, you people ain't evil. I am mad all
over again, seeing what you creeps are doing to this kid GRRRRRRR"
haha the grrr is a nice tough.
really, shouldn't you like...talk ronnie out of embarresing himself? i mean..come on. look at his post history.
" I hate Atheism and it's evil sheep. Unbelievable!"
and the accusations of pedophila don't bother you? and neither does the quitemining?
[WELCOME TO P.L.f.J.!]
" Trust the creationists, most are good, honest men."
like kent hovind..famously known for is "ice comet freezing the earth".
"And believe what they tell you."
yeshhh....gobble it down like a good boy, YESSSSSHHHHhhhh
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1 day ago (Mar 9th - 13:57 GMT)
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3 of you feeding like sharks. No, you people ain't evil. I am mad all over again, seeing what you creeps are doing to this kid GRRRRRRR.
Yes, this poor kid... and all he's ever done is accuse a group of people of pedophilia, because he got cranky after losing an argument the internet:
See that red spot on my shirt? That's my heard bleeding for the poor little guy.
I hate Atheism and it's evil sheep. Unbelievable!
Given your frequently-demonstrated prejudice, I find that pretty easy to believe.
Ronnie, don't pay attention to these gorillas. Just keep researching what you want to learn
Yep, that's Creation science in a nutshellf: decide what you want to "learn" beforehand, then ignore any evidence that doesn't fit your preconceived beliefs.
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Feb 3rd - 20:43 GMT
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You know what's sad, ronnie? I've posted more evidence that you're a sock-puppet of bigdog - and I was joking.
I think
it's funny he left after making perveted jokes about Christ.
Hey, you were the one going on about Jesus' long, hard rod.
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2 days ago (Mar 8th - 3:30 GMT)
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Yea, I see you are doing this all over. What is going on man? Why you in all the posts? It's wierd and you are more than a casual reader. Who are man?
What? you mock a man of such integrity? He has half the world still following him. And yet you mock him and can't win one heart, not one follower. You do show your true colors easily my man. You ought not be so foolish and make your philosophy look like something that of a foul mouthed child.
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Feb 18th - 16:18 GMT
(In Reply to Item) reasons to believe?
All religions are from 1. Man has proven how undependable he is. The jewish religion is the first and only religion. All other religions are changed variations of the original. Like islam, made up cause the jews had a god. allah was a counter move.
Dinosaurs are written in the bible.
the quantum paradox shows that man needed to be here for any wave to collapse into matter. In other words, evolution can't be true cause we know man could not of been here first. conversely, our creator was here to make everything real, and since we were made in his image(spiritual)..
Dino footprints with human footprints. Russians just found more.
Asians are digging up things that should have been near the top.
Junk dna is becoming necessary information.
Atheist archaeologists are walking around with bibles trying to make a name for themselves.
Watching maher and dawkins demonstrating to people how NOT to behave as a human.
Evolution=darwinism=marxism=communism=liberalism=progessivism=
socialist=democrat. evolution is politics not science.
global warming scam is proof Ken was right about the corruption of lies in our whole system, ruled by these so called science loving atheists.
I can list a hundred reasons for me to believe in a creator. You want to act like the enlightened ones telling us poor ignoramuses how things actually are, problem is, not one scientist can do that in reality. But that is all you people do. We say we believe, you say you know. Who is right in reality? As soon as you say we have no right to believe by telling us we are idiots just shows how ignorant you really are.
The quantum paradox prevents them from proving anything is real and yet they think they have proved God unreal. How that?
As for argueing any of these points with you people, you are going to spout the lies and distortions your philosophy has been putting out there for years like it is science. Each proof you bring will have been filtered the same way the information on global warming was.
We know no one knows the truth and as such, believing in a creator is a legitimate hypothesis. It's funny how you folks claim to know so much, and yet the concept of proof seems to escape you. If you can't prove there is no God, you can't mock people who believe. At least on scientific ground. If you mock them then you are an ideolog nothing more. Science my foot.
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Feb 18th - 18:01 GMT
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Can I mock you for having a miropenis?
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Mar 1st - 4:18 GMT
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Can I mock you for having a miropenis?
Better not, he might break your jaw.
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Feb 18th - 18:25 GMT
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First off I'd like to say that i really enjoyed reading your post. Made me laugh so hard my tummy hurt ^^ "All religions are from 1." - So the belief in the greek gods is derived from judeism? Yeah you can trace some similarities in the 3 big religions of christianity, judeism and islam, but not in anything else... "Dinosaurs are written in the bible." - Right and by claiming this you can supply a source for it? Btw the quantum paradox has absolutely NOTHING to do with evolution. I just dont understand how you come to that conclusion. Non sequiter. It does not follow logic. "Dino footprints with human footprints. Russians just found more." - Please show us then =) "Asians are digging up things that should have been near the top." - Again please show it. "Atheist archaeologists are walking around with bibles trying to make a name for themselves." - You gonna blame them for all the failed attempts to find the ark or what? "Watching maher and dawkins demonstrating to people how NOT to behave as a human." - You're completely right! We should act like Kent Hovind instead because he's such a role model. Let's all stop paying taxes since it's the right thing to do! "Evolution=darwinism=marxism=communism=liberalism=progessivism= socialist=democrat. evolution is politics not science." - Just because you can write complicated words doesn't mean you understand them. Oh and i can do one to Creationsism=Complete idiots=christians=fundamentalists=muslims=terrorists=9/11 :O look creationism is the reason why the twin towers went down! "global warming scam is proof Ken was right about the corruption of lies in our whole system, ruled by these so called science loving atheists." - I've already dealt with this in a previous thread. It's no scam. there's no conspiracy. If you find it difficult to find the info i would gladly give it to you and explain it. "I can list a hundred reasons for me to believe in a creator." - Arguments does not equal proof or evidence. Is that so hard to understand? Unless you can test god you can only argue for and against it. A list of 100 reasons for you to believe in a god doesn't make it so if the list is incorrect and based on misinformation or the lack of it. You haven't really given any strong arguments for it just strawmanning the opposite camp to make your thoughts look better. "We say we believe, you say you know." - Maybe because we actually source our claims and do the research you fail to do. A decent education helps a lot to ;) "As soon as you say we have no right to believe by telling us we are idiots just shows how ignorant you really are." - And who in here said that? You can believe whatever you want, but if you base that belief on stupid things and plain idiocy. We have all right to call you stupid ;) By pointing out and correcting you with trustworthy data and scientific work for example, we're actually showing you why we thing you're stupid and what the claim is based upon. Now you try! "As for argueing any of these points with you people, you are going to spout the lies and distortions your philosophy has been putting out there for years like it is science. Each proof you bring will have been filtered the same way the information on global warming was." - You mean by those people with an avarage of 20 IQ higher than you and 9 years minimum of study at a university in a field of research that you don't even understand the founding principle in? If you hate them so much why do you even use a computer? Or medicine that has been produced with the knowledge found through studying evolution? "We know no one knows the truth and as such, believing in a creator is a legitimate hypothesis." - No a legitimate hypothesis is only good if you can test it. Or it would only be an untestable hypothesis with no real value as it wouldn't have no explaining power what so ever. "It's funny how you folks claim to know so much, and yet the concept of proof seems to escape you. If you can't prove there is no God, you can't mock people who believe. At least on scientific ground. If you mock them then you are an ideolog nothing more." - Funny how you write that. The concept of proof is that something is not right until it is proven like that. For example a guy who get's busted for drugpossesion will be considered innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. The same thing with god as us rationalists see it. Until there's been any evidence or proof of god we don't believe in his existance since it is highly illogical to belive in it. Just as it's highly illogical to belive that a man did a murder when there's no evidence at all that he'd done it. "Science my foot." - GTFO of the internet if you hate science so fucking much!
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Feb 19th - 13:43 GMT
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Really? We're gonna blame creationism for the 9/11 Terrorist attacks now?
That is one of the most absurd excuses I've ever heard.
America invited the 9-11 attacks and we brought it on ourselves that it happened.
Why you ask?
For over 50 years, we've been stationed in the Middle East, building forts in foreign countries without their permission, and sticking our fingers into their business and trying to make Mini-America's out there. They don't like that, and have been incredibly ticked at us for over 50 years because of that. That is the reason there is such a strong Anti-American feeling in the middle east, because we're seen as the bullies over there, and throughout much of the world.
Imagine how we would feel if a country like China or Russia came over to American soil and started building forts where ever they like.
Now, whats the reason we've been meddling with completely irrational middle eastern politics for so long when we have no business in doing so. (Again, imagine if China or Russia meddled with our politics and government, what would we do?)
Oil, thats the only reason we've started War after war, and have more troops stationed in The middle east than anywhere in the world. Our desire and addiction to oil not only led to the 9-11 attacks, but to this day still has America at a high risk for another terrorist attack.
In 2004, when American troops finally reached Baghdad, they did not guard any homes, stores, or even the National museum filled with valuable and irreplaceable objects from the Mesopotamian Empire.
American Troops surrounded and guarded the Oil Embassy, that was the only thing they guarded as everything else was being looted.
Allow me to put it simply, America intertwines and interferes where we are not wanted, and where we shouldn't be because we have a dangerous addiction to oil that we do not need. Osama Bin Laden got his funding from an oil company, don't quote me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was his families oil company. We funded the 9-11 attacks, the ultimate irony.
I believe once we begin to go green with solar powered cars, homes, buildings, and wind powered homes, buildings, The world will be a better place for everybody.
Our foreign policy revolves around rogue, oil rich nations.
Explain to me how that is acceptable?
This is one of the very reasons I support the Tea Party,
we can't trust big government to make all our decisions, because their decisions are putting the American people in danger.
A return to neutrality and relative and friendly isolationism would benefit the entire world.
A return of (proper) powers to the states, which have been ripped away by big government, would drastically decrease the trillion dollar debt we hold, and make America more manageable.
My plan, is to restore America to it's roots, and I'm not the only one who shares it.
Thank you, and have a great day.
Sincerely,
TheDude
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Feb 20th - 14:21 GMT
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Really? We're gonna blame creationism for the 9/11 Terrorist attacks now?
That is one of the most absurd excuses I've ever heard."
actually i believe ellman was pointing out the absurdity of wolf
"somethign=something else= something completely unrelated, therefor i'm right"
and NOT blaming 9/11 on creationists.
althouhg i will state that fundementalist religious intolerance and egocentrism might contribute to the overall political picture the middle east has of america.
"That is the reason there is such a strong Anti-American feeling in the
middle east, because we're seen as the bullies over there, and
throughout much of the world.'
and lots forget israel and america's "unyielding" loyalty.
"Osama Bin Laden got his funding from an oil company, don't quote me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was his families oil company."
to elaborate on that.
practically all investment in the middle east come form oil.
why is saudi arabia capable of runnign such a tight whabbihist ship? oil money.
dubi? oil.
iran? oil.
and when iran tries to wheen itself of oil dependancy, they get held back by political and diplomatic background noise.
"We funded the 9-11 attacks, the ultimate irony."
just like america funded saddam. and the taliban. (since the taliban led a revolt against the former USSR in afganistan.
"I believe once we begin to go green with solar powered cars, homes,
buildings, and wind powered homes, buildings, The world will be a
better place for everybody."
and don't forget thew huge market of genetically modified super algae producing your diesel.
"Going green would make America safer, as we would not have to rely on
rogue and irrational middle eastern nations. They're funding for
Nuclear war heads and terrorist groups would be cut off, and eventually
cease to exist."
unfortunately that would also cut of the fundign and jobs for most of the people there...leadign to massive civil unrest and possibly even more food for extremism. the middle east needs to get out of the oil business...slowely.
"Explain to me how that is acceptable?"
because most people could care less if they live a confortable life.
who cares about the chinese sweashop labour, child slaves picking cacao in afrika. blood diamonds, deforestation, rising sea levels.
who woudl care all about those things when you have your wide screen tv, insanely fast internet and a confortable hoem with a loving family.
humans are a social creature...but only to a certain scale.
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This is one of the very reasons I support the Tea Party,
we can't trust big government to make all our decisions, because their decisions are putting the American people in danger."
unfortunately there a problem pops up.
if you haven't got an overall narrative, what is to stop infighting and endless stalling due to multiple parties bickering about policy.
or to put it into a simple example. wouldn't you think that obama could have gottern his healthcare reform around a lot faster if it weren''t for all the republican opposition. or lets replace that with buying GM to produce electric cars, to get the US ona green electrical net.
"A return to neutrality and relative and friendly isolationism would benefit the entire world."
NO. isolationism IS NOT GOING TO WORK.
just look at the runup to WW I and WWII.
however global policing won't work either.
global commitment and improved cooperation however will.
"A return of (proper) powers to the states, which have been ripped away
by big government, would drastically decrease the trillion dollar debt
we hold, and make America more manageable."
it would only make it more manageble on the state level. on the US level, it's more likely to rip apart the cohesion.
i can already here texas cecide....O_O
"My plan, is to restore America to it's roots, and I'm not the only one who shares it."
will you explain to me exactly what roots you mean here? because america has a few really narrly roots, and is longer in the position it once was (no roaring twenties or massive war industry this time round).
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Feb 21st - 2:57 GMT
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Ah, you are correct there, but our "Baby brother" relation with Israel just ticks off the other Middle Eastern countries.
For years, Israel has been the bully in the middle east, and we've stood by and done nothing because they're our friends and they can do no wrong.
You are also correct on the middle east and oil.
The reason when they try to wheen themselves off oil and it fails (Note the 2008 Iranian Elections), is because the government wants to keep their money juggernaut at the expense of the people.
I never knew Diesel was made from Algae, thats quite interesting and I thank you for sharing that!
I get your point on slowly, but we both agree, it needs to happen, and for it to happen, America has to cut it's oil dependency first.
You are also correct (Sadly) that most American's just don't care. Really shows the ignorance and arrogance of America (Don't get me wrong, I love my home country but am not above criticizing it).
A lot of things would have gotten done without party opposition, unfortunately we ignored George Washington's warning in his own Farewell Address about multiple political parties.
I would like to point out Switzerland when you say isolationism won't work, I didn't mean it as extreme as you took it,
In fact, when I said friendly and relative, I was trying to say we should stop policing the world and worry about mainly ourselves.
Sorry for the confusion I created with my words there.
I'll try to explain what I mean by my statement of returning Proper powers to the states as best I can.
The states should have the right to run themselves with limited government interference, however, they have to abide by the constitution and adhere to any federal order given to them. The federal government still has control over the states, and can interfere when the states run into a problem they just can't handle, but other than that, they can not interfere with state issues, which they have been since the end of the American Civil War (Which was understandable back then). I hope I explained that clearly enough.
America was founded on limited government and power to the people and states, we've gone so far away from that America is now broke in a sense.
We seem to agree for the most part on most issues but are split on other issues.
I look forward to a response my new friend.
Sincerely,
TheDude
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Feb 21st - 15:04 GMT
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"The reason when they try to wheen themselves off oil and it fails (Note
the 2008 Iranian Elections), is because the government wants to keep
their money juggernaut at the expense of the people."
actually it's more nuanced then that.
most of the civil services and subsidies provided by the governements are funded by oil money. note the huge protests in iran when they wanted to raise the gas prices there (which where cheaper then the US and WAY cheaper then europe's).
"I never knew Diesel was made from Algae, thats quite interesting and I thank you for sharing that!'
and those algea are so cool.
it you can tweak the algea, or use natural selction, to have them store large amounts of fatty acids in their vacuoles. which, when the batch has reaches a sufficient cell concentration, you can extract and turn into biodiesel the same way you would do with, say, used kitchen oil.
these algea provide a huge economical opening for countires that have a large populationa and live in climates temperate climates.
since you can use waste water to feed the algea.
"I would like to point out Switzerland when you say isolationism won't work,"
the irony here is that switzerland ISN'T as isolationist as you might think.
they enjoy huge benefits from the surrounding eu (the schengen treaty for one) and the ONLY reason they will not join the EU is because they will be forced to give up their main economic means, "personal banking". since the eu requires memeber states to be transparent about their banks financial transactions....something all those "legal" transactions in switzerland's closed bankworld won't be able to handle.
don't get me wrong. this it's probably best for the swiss to not join the EU, they are a relatively small european country with little natural resources. hence they get into banking...and have much more flexable regulations regarding certain types of research and businesses...like GM (genetic modification) which the rest of the EU is so paranoid about.
" I was trying to say we should stop policing the world and worry about mainly ourselves."
yes, i understood that. only the fools in the very right would be stupid enouhg to think that they cna retaurn america to it's 1910s diplomacy.
the problem here is that it's impossible to "think mainly about ourselves" since america is STILL the largest consumer of energy and goods. practically causing ANY change on the US to effect the rest of the world, and vice versa. however i will agree with you when you say; "solve our problems first, then take on the bigger picture."
you can't increase gass prices if not everyone has the money to pay em, or the alternatives.
"The federal government still has control over the states, and can
interfere when the states run into a problem they just can't handle,
but other than that, they can not interfere with state issues"
yes, but what I unfortunately foresee there ( in slight fear) is states that adopt VERY different regulations on very large topics.
like death pentaly, education (creationism/ID in schools) or hell...maybe even mandatory prayer in soem states (if schools use some sort of or "student referendum" to get around the constitution.), differences in drug tolerance (like medicinal marijuana in Califorina that can get you years in prison somewhere else), ect.
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Feb 20th - 16:41 GMT
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lol u didn't get the sarcasm? Or was it like Poe's Law?
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Feb 19th - 13:33 GMT
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"All religions are from 1."
HINDUISM. ANCESTOR WHORSHIP.
must i go on?
"Man has proven how undependable he is."
and that's why we now have medicine when we did sciene, yes?
"The jewish religion is the first and only religion"
....
ignorance..what a bliss.
we've been around for longer then 6000 years sir.
"All other religions are changed variations of the original. Like islam,
made up cause the jews had a god. allah was a counter move."
HORRIBLE IGNORANCE.
1) allah is the SAME god. they jsut intergrated him differently into his society.
2) you ignored ALL OTHER RELIGIOUS OUT THERE.
"Dinosaurs are written in the bible."
oh yeas...unfortunatlt they don't wear crowns and behemoth is lacking....many descriptve features for a saurapod.
"the quantum paradox shows that man needed to be here for any wave to collapse into matter."
.....
LOL? ANYTHING can observe this universe.
you might aswell have said ants!
"In other words, evolution can't be true cause we know man could not of been here first."
what impecable reasoning....HOW?
"conversely, our creator was here to make everything real, and since we were made in his image(spiritual).."
then what afrail image he is.
"Dino footprints with human footprints. Russians just found more."
link?
"Asians are digging up things that should have been near the top."
link?
"Junk dna is becoming necessary information."
that would actually be evolution in action (nylonase) but you'd probably not know what molecular genetics tells us the function is of junk DNA anyway...
"Atheist archaeologists are walking around with bibles trying to make a name for themselves."
link, and controversy DOES give you publicity.
"Watching maher and dawkins demonstrating to people how NOT to behave as a human."
riiigth, go on with your demonisations if you wish.
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Evolution=darwinism=marxism=communism=liberalism=progessivism=
socialist=democrat. evolution is politics not science."
and to think this could have been cured by high school....BAH!
"global warming scam is proof Ken was right about the corruption of lies
in our whole system, ruled by these so called science loving atheists."
do you like your computer and your medicine? stop biting that hand.
and i doubt you know any climate science whatsoever....probably on the same level as ronnie i suppose.
"I can list a hundred reasons for me to believe in a creator."
and i will do my best to bdebunk them all, if you submit them.
" You want to act like the enlightened ones telling us poor ignoramuses"
really no use poining out the obvious as you manage to conttradict yourself a mere...13 lines into your post...
"We say we believe, you say you know."
no.
you have 0 idea what scientist ACTUALLY do and how they actually behave.
we only know UNTILL A HIGH DEGREE OF CERTAINTY.
we do NOT claim absolute knwoledge...the irony is YOU are you are doing that by ASSERTING there isa god. and then tryign to bakc up that claim with soem extremely halfassed reasoning.
"Who is right in reality?"
andmy genome sequenscing sais...YES the allele frequency changed do to a point mutation.
"As soon as you say we have no right to believe by telling us we are idiots just shows how ignorant you really are."
oh no, you have all the rigth.
just no justification that can actually convince anyone but yourself.
you are the one who needs to prove their claim, not us.
"The quantum paradox prevents them from proving anything is real and yet they think they have proved God unreal."
oh yes, and so is the invisable pink unicorn.
"How that?"
for starters i bet without ad hoc reasonign your god is internally inconsistant.
not to mention the "leap of faith" you have to take to reject all other religions out there (zoroatriansm for one).
"As for argueing any of these points with you people, you are going to
spout the lies and distortions your philosophy has been putting out
there for years like it is science."
more BS from soemonw who doesn't do biology.
"Each proof you bring will have been filtered the same way the information on global warming was."
you mean the mountains of data that people thought htey had dismissed ofter some quitemining and and some exposing of "coloured"| future perspectives? (part 2 of the IPPC isn't part 1).
"We know no one knows the truth and as such, believing in a creator is a legitimate hypothesis."
oh it isn an hypothesis, but can you back it up?
"It's funny how you folks claim to know so much"
do you have any idea how much ignorance you just spouted on biology?
"If you can't prove there is no God"
i DONT EVEN NEED TO DO THAT.
all YOU need to do first is prove THERE IS.
HOW do people this have the asinine misconception?
"you can't mock people who believe."
oh yes i can, lok at all those new agers i'll mock.
"Science my foot."
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"said as you try to crush it's body of knowledge with you boot of ignorance...and utterly fail to do so."
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Feb 27th - 2:28 GMT
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I think he'll come back as a college professor. Just guessing, but we'll see.
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Mar 1st - 0:58 GMT
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I think he'll come back as a college professor. Just guessing, but we'll
see.
Hey, petit chien is back. Are you going to make more than one post before you run away this time?
Your constant running away has really got us on the ropes. Why, if you run away anymore we'll just have to give up and admit defeat.
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Mar 1st - 2:04 GMT
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Whatever you say Benny. Why don't you get a life. I'll come back whenever I want.
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Mar 1st - 4:10 GMT
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I don't associate and debate with sick perverts like sci borg or whatever he calls himself.
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Mar 1st - 12:45 GMT
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I don't associate and debate with sick perverts
Only sick perverts? So you're a-okay with healthy perverts?
like sci borg or
whatever he calls himself.
Wow, you're getting almost as obsessed with me as ronnie is.
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Mar 1st - 15:19 GMT
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I'm guessing I'm a sick pervert as well considering I don't identify, accept, or believe in the same items that you do, even though I do identify myself as a mild-christian.
I also enjoy what you call a "debate" from you, a so called "Christian",
tossing out inane, absurd, and blatantly erroneous statements about other people.
Please give any of us proof that Sci-Borg is indeed "A sick pervert", or just restate yourself, asserting that you are correct, and that everybody who doesn't agree with you is wrong in their tracks.
To me, that sounds like the way an immature brat would try to get their way.
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Mar 1st - 4:16 GMT
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Whatever you say Benny.
Hahaha, you're still riding that tired hobby-horse? You seriously need to get some new material - that one got stale months ago.
Why don't you get a life.
Any particular reason you turned into a valley girl for one sentence? Like, totally, ya know, whatever.
I'll come back whenever I want.
...and then you'll run away, for... what is that now, the 6th or 7th time? I've lost count. That is, if you're consistent with the pattern you've been keeping up since you ran away the first time. You remember that, right? It was right after you went completely off your rocker and started flinging around the pedophilia accusations.
Speaking of which, have you met Mr. mwolf? He's big on comparing people to Hitler - you two would make a great pals, I'm sure. It's certainly been... illuminating, seeing what you "good Christians" consider acceptable.
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4 days ago (Mar 6th - 0:27 GMT)
(In Reply to Item) Yea, I am sorry for the coward comment. I hate atheism, not so much the victims of it. My wife reads this stuff over my shoulder. Believe me, I here more from her. But many Atheists on the net are not like you say you are, and I am used to getting right down in the gutter so to speak.
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2 days ago (Mar 8th - 3:35 GMT)
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NM, you are worse then they are. I have a funny feeling you have alterior motives. You being paid for all these post responss?
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2 days ago (Mar 8th - 4:11 GMT)
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"NM, you are worse then they are. I have a funny feeling you have alterior motives. You being paid for all these post responss?"
why if i had a penny for everytime i heard that :P
really ronnie, i'm amazed you also managed to convince mike. gj
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2 days ago (Mar 8th - 3:32 GMT)
(In Reply to Item) sci-borg a doctor? please don't say yes and make me call him a liar. lol
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2 days ago (Mar 8th - 16:59 GMT)
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you didnt get the joke did you?
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2 days ago (Mar 8th - 21:20 GMT)
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He doesn't get much. I don't think he's ever experienced the warm inside of a woman.
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2 days ago (Mar 8th - 21:50 GMT)
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"He doesn't get much. I don't think he's ever experienced the warm inside of a woman."
oh the trolling. THE TROLLING !
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