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Evolution leads to Imorality
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Submitted By ronnies_evil_twin on 10/01/05
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I have heard Cretionists claim that a belief in evolution makes us behave as immoral animals since we have no higher power leading the way.....merely nature.
Evolution is said to lead to crime, divorce and playing pool....... yep.....right here in River City.
Well, since every "evolutionist" on here has been saddled with also being an atheist let us compare.

Let's look at some Fedreal Bureau of Prison Statistics...shall we?
Christians make up 78.5% of the US population yet make up 83.761% of the prison population.
Atheists or non believers make up roughly 10% to 16% of the US population yet make up 2/10ths of 1& of the US prison population.
http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm

Divorce:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

Jewish Faith 30% divorce rate
Born Again Christian 27% divorce rate
Other Christian: 24% divorce rate
Atheists: 21% divorce rate
Now, I would like to point out that I do alot of Divorce work. Jews and Born Again Christians....Thank you for your business.

Teen Pregnancy:
Too long to explain but the more religious the state...the higher the teen pregnancy rate even taking abortions into the mix. Pregnant is Pregnant. I gotta admit...us evolutionist do like killing fetus'. I consider it God's work. We are just killing baby's like God did in the good ole book.
http://www.usnews.com/health/family-health/womens-health/articles/2009/09/16/teen-birth-rates-higher-in-states-where-religion.html

The main one i wanted to point out was the Prison Statistics. I find that one interesting.

Now, my point here is that a belief in a god does not lead to moral behavior. A belief in evolution does not lead to immoral behavior. I think it is important to note that when I pointed out the low proportion of atheists in prison, I was not implying that atheists are somehow morally superior. However, I cannot think of a reason for such a disparity off the top of my head.

Finally, I am sure someone will point to a bogus statistic that shows suicide or crime rates going up after teaching creationism was "outlawed" in schools. To this i say: Post hoc ergo propter hoc. (After this therefore because of this) This is a logical fallacy that states that B was caused by A becuuse B happened after A. Just because something happened after something does not mean there is a causal connection between the two. I would also like to point out that all these statisics show the increase actually starting well before creationism was "outlawed".

Any thoughs???

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Re: Evolution leads to Imorality
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/01/05 - 9:27 GMT
"Well, since every "evolutionist" on here has been saddled with also being an atheist let us compare""

nope, that is not true. there are numerous theists here who accept ToE.

""The main one i wanted to point out was the Prison Statistics. I find that one interesting.""

"that's because all those dam liberals are pursecuting us christians!|"

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Re: Evolution leads to Imorality
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2010/01/11 - 15:10 GMT
"Well, since every "evolutionist" on here has been saddled with also being an atheist let us compare""

nope, that is not true. there are numerous theists here who accept ToE.
 
I think his comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, a subtle joke about how creationists make a knee-jerk assumption that all "evolutionists" are also atheists.
 
Which is basically the textbook definition of partisanship. It's amusing to watch those people squirm when they're presented with someone who doesn't fit into their simplistic us-vs-them mold - like Ken Miller (a Catholic biologist & advocate of the TOE), Ayn Rand (an economically-conservative atheist), John Stuart Mill (one of the philosophical forefathers of liberalism, and someone who would probably be considered a conservative today), etc.
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Re: Evolution leads to Imorality
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2010/01/05 - 14:54 GMT
I've talked about the statistics for religion in prison before and the fact that my country is regarded as the most atheistic country in the world and why it hasn't gone to hell bcuz of the lack of "gods moral laws".
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Re: Evolution leads to Imorality
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Posted 2010/01/11 - 15:20 GMT
I've talked about the statistics for religion in prison before and the fact that my country is regarded as the most atheistic country in the world and why it hasn't gone to hell bcuz of the lack of "gods moral laws".
 
It's also interesting to compare the census data of the US with that of Canada. They're just about as similar as two countries can be - except that a significantly higher percentage of Canadians report themselves as having "no religious affiliation." And, interestingly, the evolution vs. creationism debate is almost entirely non-existant in Canada. Same with the overall "culture war" stupidity - there were a few attempts to import the "merrry Christmas vs. happy holidays" manufactured "controversy," but it didn't gain any traction outside of a few fringe nutters.
 
Of course, it probably helps that most Christians in Canada belong to more moderate denominations like the Catholic, Anglican, or United churches - as opposed to fundamentalist Baptist churches.
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Re: Evolution leads to Imorality
2 hours - 62v
Posted 2010/01/05 - 23:07 GMT
yeah, I must say that just because two things happen at the same time doesn't mean that they are linked. 
 
and the old misconception of:
 
Religious people = good people
non-religious people = bad people
 
sad really....
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Re: Evolution leads to Imorality
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2010/01/06 - 15:48 GMT
"
and the old misconception of:
 
Religious people = good people
non-religious people = bad people
 
sad really....""
 
agreed,
 
yet it's STILL perpetuated by the rightwing american left.
just look at fox news and bill orily,  or glen beck.....
 
it's just sad.....excruciatingly sad.


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