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The Creationist God: deceptive or inept?
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Submitted By doctorofscience on 09/10/17
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I wanted to elaborate a bit on a point I made in this thread: that, in order to accept creationism, one also has to accept the premise that the Christian God is either deceptive or incompetent.
If God faked the fossil record & the other evidence for evolution (an argument that many creationists make), then that would make him a deceptive God. Galileo's objection also applies: why give us rational faculties and then expect us not to use them?
The second possibility is that God couldn't create all the animals properly the first time, so he needed multiple attempts. In other words, an incompetent God. Personally, I like to think of it as the "Time Bandits theory of God" ("It was a rush job, what do you expect? We only had 7 days after all").
When I've raised that point in the past, the only answers I've seen from creationists have been thoroughly absurd excsuses like "Oh, the devil faked all that stuff to trick us into sinning" or "God faked all that stuff to test our faith."
It's also funny that YECs frequently try to paint their beliefs as the only "truly-Christian" option - and yet creationism requires less reverence for God than a position like theistic evolution. I'd ask how YECs can justify that, but I suspect it's one of those (many) aspects of YEC/religious fundamentalism that makes more sense if you just don't think about it.

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Re: The Creationist God: deceptive or inept?
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Posted 2009/11/28 - 2:46 GMT
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Re: The Creationist God: deceptive or inept?
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Posted 2009/11/28 - 19:26 GMT
really...peterO, the objection in the OP isn't that novel at all. if you have any experience "debatign evolutionists" (which you claimed you liked to do), you should have heard this problem an awefull lot right now.
so what is it?
deceptive, or incompetent. or was perfection not one of his aims?
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Re: The Creationist God: deceptive or inept?
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Posted 2009/12/12 - 21:36 GMT
Face ---> palm.
Here, let me re-phrase that for you:
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent — it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks, please. Cash and in small bills." -Robert A. Heinlein

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