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Fixed earth and geocentricity
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Submitted By MM on 09/10/05
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Very interesting site: http://www.fixedearth.com/
 
I think some of Mr. Hovinds teachings should be updated. I am enjoying the CSE classes very much although I do not agree with everything.
 
I would like to talk to other christians and also the sceptics out there about the right "solar-system".
 
What do you think about this topic?

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Re: Fixed earth and geocentricity
1 day - 1,984v
Posted 2009/10/05 - 15:30 GMT
This is weird, i just came back to this site after a few months away and there are posts by someone using my name.... very odd.
 
 
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Re: Fixed earth and geocentricity
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2009/10/05 - 19:41 GMT
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1) It must be assumed that the Sun is stationary in the "solar" system relevant to the Earth (and to the Moon) and that it has never traveled East to West daily across the sky as observed by everyone on Earth throughout all history."

lulz... no1 ever claimed that. it is mearely out our perspective that makes it look like it's moving from "east to west".

" Likewise, it must be assumed that the Earth rotates West to East ccw (counterclockwise) on an "axis" every 24 hours at an equatorial speed of c. 1040 MPH in spite of there being nothing but mathematical evidence for this motion whatsoever."

mmm there is this thing in france....OH YA!

http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/foucault_pendulum.html

" It must be assumed that the Earth is also orbiting the Sun annually (ccw) at an average speed of c. 67,000 MPH."


"it is assumed scientists didn't do the v, S and A calcumaltions..."

the rest is just to embarrising to name...with us beign in the space age and all...

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Re: Fixed earth and geocentricity
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2009/10/05 - 17:30 GMT
awesome! a site that attacks the heliocentric model and doesn't even mention galileo. No calculations. Only a really bad color scheme that gives me a headache and makes it really hard to read. Strawman based arguments and nonsense looking like conspiracy talk. Like connections between madonna - kabbala - evolution myths - NASA - lie in heliocentrism. It's absurd to even use madonna in an argument to convince someone of discarding what the majority of the scientific community claims. EDIT: I forgot to mention the work of Sir Isaac Newton in this matter.

"Bottom line: The world has been deceived into accepting a certain religion’s Big Bang evolutionary explanation for the origin of all that exists and this plot has succeeded by using theoretical science as a front to disguise its spiritual agenda. "
 = this is laughable. Flawless logic.

I want to make a contest for anyone here. Find the most laughable argument on this site and we are sure to get a number of good laughs.
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Re: Fixed earth and geocentricity
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2009/10/05 - 19:34 GMT
"

"An electromagnet and computerized sensor hidden in its

display stand cause the Earth to levitate motionlessly in the air."

Could God have engineered something like that for the real Earth?

The Bible and all real evidence confirms that this is precisely what He did, and indeed:"

+ the pick.

classic.

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Re: Fixed earth and geocentricity
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2009/10/06 - 22:46 GMT
"This embrace of Darwinism then quite predictably emboldened increasingly secular-minded mankind to further reject Biblical Absolutism and replace its teachings with yet more new "truths" in areas of learning having to do with economics and government. Thus was unsuccessful and floundering Marxism given new life. Marx openly tried to dedicate his own books to Darwin, exulting: "You have given me the basis for my system". Thus, the "Social Science" disciplines were born and began to make their contributions to the destruction of Bible credibility."
 = priceless. You get everything bashing the bible and therefore it's fake and evil. Not to mention Darwin as a teologian at the start of his career. I read in a piece by Dawkins (don't remember where it came from) that Darwin was a big fan of facts that didn't add up with the knowledge of his time. Now there's no need for an explaination for why he found the evidence to support the theory he so joyfully created. Also fun how the author of the site doesn't make any connections between all the "bad" things. Like where does Darwinism go to economics and government?! I just don't get it, but as he is a conspricay freak it would tend logical to draw a line between 2 seperate things even though they have nothing in common.
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Re: Fixed earth and geocentricity
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2009/10/07 - 5:07 GMT
Very interesting site: http://www.fixedearth.com/
 
Just off the top of my head, I can think of two basic objections to geocentrism:
 
 
1) The mass of the Earth is a fraction of the mass of the Sun - there's no way that an object with the Sun's mass would orbit an object with the Earth's mass.
 
2) Direct observations that contradict geocentrism. Every major object in the solar system (the Sun and all of the planets) has been visited by man-made probes - not to mention about 400 years of observing the solar system through telescopes. By this point, I'd say we have a fairly good idea of the positions of the sun and planets, as well as their positions relative to each other.
 
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Re: Fixed earth and geocentricity
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2009/10/07 - 13:34 GMT
"Don’t you love it when incredibly important Truths suddenly jell in your mind?  If you do, weigh these facts and see where you come out:

 

Secular Science”--by its very definition--rules out the miraculous when it attempts to explain all we see in the universe, on earth, and in mankind.  True.1

 

This means, for example, that “secular science” must supply a non-miraculous explanation for every single claim in the six “evening and morning” creation days found in the Genesis Account in the Bible.  True.2"

HAHAHAHA! "Secular science" must supply non-miraculous explanation for six day creation xD

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Re: Fixed earth and geocentricity
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2009/10/08 - 14:20 GMT
HAHAHAHA! "Secular science" must supply non-miraculous explanation for six day creation xD
 
Wow. Creationists (and, evidently, geocentrists) are not only scientifically illiterate, but they're also apparently ignorant of basic intellectual concepts like "burden of proof."
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Re: Fixed earth and geocentricity
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2009/10/08 - 16:07 GMT
yeah like the six day creation was proven to be true and we (not the geocentrists/creationists) have to show how it was done!
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Re: Fixed earth and geocentricity
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2009/10/13 - 23:41 GMT
yeah like the six day creation was proven to be true and we (not the geocentrists/creationists) have to show how it was done!
 
I can only conclude that, because they're so thoroughly unaccustomed to questioning any aspect of their beliefs, even their most absurd beliefs (like the literal creation) are taken as givens.
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Re: Fixed earth and geocentricity
6 days - 8,777v
Posted 2009/12/20 - 23:26 GMT
I suppose that all of the gravitational forces in the universe could offset each other in such a way that Earth remains perfectly stationary, but its unlikely.
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Re: Fixed earth and geocentricity
1 day - 2,617v
Posted 2009/12/21 - 4:39 GMT
I'd like to see what Ben the fake "doctor of science" has to say about that.
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Re: Fixed earth and geocentricity
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2009/12/21 - 15:00 GMT
"I'd like to see what Ben the fake "doctor of science" has to say about that.""
 
about what?
this?
 
"I suppose that all of the gravitational forces in the universe could offset each other in such a way that Earth remains perfectly stationary, but its unlikely."
 
hell, even i can answer that.
 
THE MASS OF THE SUN.
 
it's not unlikely, it's imposible, and that's just in the calculations.
we haven't even started with the observations


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