"providentialism > naturalism"
i'll start of with this.
Who gave you the internet?
who gave you medicine?
who gave you freedom of speech?
who gave you science?
who gave you a drive to discover and not be content with just what you are told?
hint, it's not religion.
(* YES, religion did not give you freedom of speech, don't belive me? look at all the freaking historical evidence, hell, it's still going on today with fundies cencoring all dissident speech on their youtube channels or forums.)
you are without excuse and you know it.
"The liberals do a good job of grossly misrepresenting creation science / intelligent design."
funny thing you using the / here like the terms are the same...you must have meant "and" and not / but it's funny nontheless.
btw, we know that ID is, and it's NOT genesis, and we never claimed it was. it is however another form of "goddunnit" and in that sense has exactly the same conclusion ad genesis, although the actual content and order in genesis is not required for an ID'er.
"But no amount of mantra or satire will invalidate creation science or providentialism."
there are 2 quotes (paraphrased but accurate) that i can pull form memory that will entirely crush the "science" part of creation science.
"now let's put on our bible glasses..."
Ken Ham
"I believe the bible is the inerrant word of the living god and i'm out to convert you. yes i'll say it up front, i'm out to get you"
Kent Hovind, well known "creation science speaker"
if you don't understand how this crushes any claim to scientific validity that creation science claims to have, you don't know what science is.
(god i love quotign when it;s actually accurate, yup you heard me, this isn't a quotemine. why? let's just w8 for you to accuse me of it and then i'll explain)
"that evolution is wrong and designed creation is right."
and why was that again? because just claimingit doesn't make it so. and it's not inteleectually honest to claim somehtign is wrong when you ahve no idea what it is or when all you know of it is some strawman you made up to ridicule it.
let me explain it to you.
creationism is the belief that the universe was created by a supernatural entity ACCORDING to ANY CREATION STORY. genesis is just ONE or these, yet it is the best known.
don't believe me? ask any theologen of any faith. or ask any historian with the specialty of "the history of philosophy".
ID, is the idea that a (possibley supernatural) intelligence interviened to introduce, or drastically alter body plans or DNA sequences. aka the "occasional tinkerer god" or the "hyper intelligent alien with to much time on his hand". that's right, ID also allowes for aliens.
to say it doesn't is to admit that it is purely a religious concept.
you don't believe me? ask Behe what ID is.
"what do you think?"
that you are one ignorant bastard to even think us so dumb as not to understand what we were arguing against. or is that just you projecting yourself onto us?
