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Why communism/socialism/facism is a bad idea

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it is a formula that demands horrorific results

Submitted By 9tails on 09/07/09

FreeHovind, 9tails, General

This Discussion originally posted in the "FreeHovind" Group

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=email&v=rwrB_JIkfpY

Socialism is Facism, the drive and nature of man is destructive. That drive hungers for power and when fed, comes at a terrible price.

Are you willing to pay?

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thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,142v

Posted 2009/07/09 - 0:42 GMT

"Socialism is Facism"

no it is not.

you're equating ENTIRELY wrong here 9tails.....as always.

"Are you willing to pay?'

you DO realize that this vid is good, but fails to go on deeper into WHY these communist states turned into what they became or WHAT communist is in essence.

btw, leader whorship is NOT facism per se,

it is a ASPECT of facism, but not a requirement.

just like a monarchy isn't a facist state, yet it CAN still be a dictatorship (like in the case of an absolute monarchy).

this shit is a LOT more complex then you make it out to be, and it's a lot more grey then black OR white.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,142v

Posted 2009/07/09 - 6:49 GMT

"the drive and nature of man is destructive. That drive hungers for power and when fed, comes at a terrible price."

you might not notice this, but this remark actually speaks against any form of human governance. i get the idea that you'd then rather see a country run solely by a uber computer which follows it's code mercilessly...

oh ya, this also speaks against ANY form of government, except a direct democracy, which is practically impossible with todays population.

rationalist (ben)

3 days - 3,596v

Posted 2009/07/09 - 0:59 GMT

I have an MBA and I am working on my PhD now. Believe me when I say you have no clue about this topic.

Communism is a political system and Socialism is an economic system.

Communism is when the means of production (all industry) is owned collectively. Everything is shared, "from each according to his ability and to each according to his nead". The best example of this is the ministry of Jesus. It was expected to sell everything you have and let the ministry care for your needs.

This may help you.

http://www.conservative-resources.com/capitalism-vs-socialism-vs-communism.html

I made sure to go to a conservative site as you reject most information given to you.

Just so you know facism is in many ways the opposite of communism.

I understand that you think A is bad, B is bad, and C is bad therefore A, B, C must be related but that is simply not true.

bromiller

21 minutes - 9v

Posted 2009/07/09 - 13:22 GMT

Brethren communism/socialism/facism is nothing more than slavery.The Obama administration is trying their best to get all three passed.I grieved when Brother Hovind was sent to prison.I know he is not guilty.

We can go back to the Jim Jones massacre.Jim Jones and his followers were victims of our Government as was David Koresh.

There is a brother by the name of Tony Alamo that our Government has slandered.Why? Because he has been exposing the Roman Catholic church and the evils in our Government for years.

The Government has had Pastor Tony Alamo in jail for a year or better.

The Jesuit order of the Roman Catholic church has infilterated our bible schools and government and are sworn by a death oath to destroy the protestant Church and everyone that is against the heresies of the Roman Catholic Church.

Brother Hovind has probably been a victim of the Jesuit order in some way.The pre-trib rapture lie right along with the dispensational theology is a Jesuit deception as is their attack on the King James Bible through texual criticism and modern day bible versions by the hundreds.

Dispensational theology is really Jesuit Futurism created as a counter attack against the Reformation.It completely removes the anti-christ system out of the scope of prophecy.

The Jesuit order was formed in the early 1530`s and went full force in the 1830`s until the system was put in the C.I.Scofield reference Bible and is taught in most of Christianity today.

The above is all tied to communism/socialism and the strong arm of facism.

It all boils down to bringing the whole world under the control of the Roman Catholic Church.Look at the tv evangelist like Jack van Impe defending Rome along with the TBN preachers and teachers.

It has been said the Jesuit order threatened Jack Van Impe to remove him from his telivision ministry if he did not start defending the Roman Catholic Church as his brothers and sisters in Christ.

The Jesuit order also threatened John Hagee and he has apologized for his anti-roman catholic remarks.Yes Rome is behind every wicked thing going on in America today and our Constitutional rights are about to be changed to Romes rules and orders.

I have no doubt brother Hovind was framed by government Jesuits.

God bless in Jesus.

Steve.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,142v

Posted 2009/07/09 - 17:02 GMT

wow bromiller...

all i can say is...

CONSPIRACY!

now lets adress your statements

"communism/socialism/facism is nothing more than slavery.The Obama administration is trying their best to get all three passed."

not even close. either you have soem SERIOUS evidence to back this up, or STFU.

"Jim Jones and his followers were victims of our Government as was David Koresh."

HAHAHAHA.....classic, coolaid and waco...

waco i can still see soem govenrment meddling, false information and a way to hard approach by the FBI, but that doesn't change the fact that Koresh was a sex offender and he rana extremist sekt.

and on the coolaid, you have no excuse.

the INSANE irony here beign that

Jim jones was a communist.

YES he was, although not in the sense that you recognize communism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

and it get BETTER

"Deaths in Jonestown

Main article: Jonestown

Later that same day, 909 inhabitants of Jonestown,[91] 276 of them children, died of apparent cyanide poisoning, mostly in and around a pavilion.[92] This resulted in the greatest single loss of American civilian life in a non-natural disaster until the September 11, 2001 attacks.[93] No video was taken during the mass suicide, though the FBI did recover a 45 minute audio recording of the suicide in progress.[94]

On that tape, Jones tells Temple members that the Soviet Union, with whom the Temple had been negotiating a potential exodus for months, would not take them after the Temple had murdered Ryan and four others at a nearby airstrip.[94] The reason given by Jones to commit suicide was consistent with his previously stated conspiracy theories of intelligence organizations allegedly conspiring against the Temple, that men would "parachute in here on us," "shoot some of our innocent babies" and "they'll torture our children, they'll torture some of our people here, they'll torture our seniors."[94] Parroting Jones' prior statements that hostile forces would convert captured children to fascism, one temple member states "the ones that they take captured, they're gonna just let them grow up and be dummies."[94]"

and David Koresh well...i'll let wiki do the talking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh

"Lois Roden died in 1986. Up until then Koresh had been teaching that monogamy was the only way to live, but he suddenly announced that polygamy was allowed for him. In March 1986, Koresh first slept with Karen Doyle, aged 14.[5] He claimed her as his second wife. In August 1986, Koresh began secretly sleeping with Michele Jones, his wife's younger 12-year-old sister. In September 1986 Koresh began to preach that he was entitled to 140 wives, 60 women as his "queens" and 80 as concubines, which he based upon his interpretation of the Biblical Song of Solomon.[4] Koresh then built up an entirely new theology around his "marriage" to Doyle. This theology was called the "New Light," with a doctrine of polygamy for himself, which he called "The House of David." According to this doctrine, Doyle was supposed to have a daughter named Shoshanna who would then be married to Koresh's firstborn son Cyrus. However, Doyle failed to conceive, so Koresh then transferred his attention to his wife's sister. Former Davidian David Bunds said that Koresh's doctrine of polygamy "rose out of his deep desire to have sex with young girls. Once he was able to convince himself that it was God's will then he was able to be free of guilt and have sex with as many young girls as he could get his hands on."[5]"

"the Government has had Pastor Tony Alamo in jail for a year or better."

actually it's the legal system and for good reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Alamo

"The Jesuit order of the Roman Catholic church has infilterated our bible schools and government and are sworn by a death oath to destroy the protestant Church and everyone that is against the heresies of the Roman Catholic Church."

OOOOH that evil pope...

you can't seriousyl believe this do you? you have ANY idea what these chatholics are up agaisnt or what they would ahve to do? we're not in the reformation anymore dude...

"Brother Hovind has probably been a victim of the Jesuit order in some way."

TAX EVASION. READ THE DAM SITE YOU'RE POSTING ON.

"The pre-trib rapture lie right along with the dispensational theology is a Jesuit deception"

ACTUALLY, this is just to good to read, one fundie critizizing another fundie idea. but i should eb adressign this, i'll leave that to the jew who stumbles across this and feels a need to adress it.

"as is their attack on the King James Bible through texual criticism and modern day bible versions by the hundreds."

funny, sicne they have that latin and greek, and therefore the oldest versions of the texts, not to mention the CENTURIES of extra sudy they have over the protestants...no, when it would come to historical accuracy, they're in the lead.

"It all boils down to bringing the whole world under the control of the Roman Catholic Church."

"Yes Rome is behind every wicked thing going on in America today and our Constitutional rights are about to be changed to Romes rules and orders."

XD, you should talk toa catholic i think, eventhough you might not like em.

"I have no doubt brother Hovind was framed by government Jesuits."

ok, now WHY do you believe that? because all you've given untill now is.

"THE POPE IS OUT TO GET US!"

and i'm not buying it.

rationalist (ben)

3 days - 3,596v

Posted 2009/07/09 - 17:07 GMT

Please keep posting Miller. You remind me why I rejected that Christianity claptrap.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,645v

Posted 2009/07/10 - 16:27 GMT

"Well, Mr. President, it's the bees and spiders again. They stole my food stamps and sold 'em to the rats. I go down to the car for to honk the horn for help, but the snakes is guardin' it for the cock-a-roaches. I go back upstairs, but the spiders has jammed the police lock! I ain't been inside for a WEEK ... and I KNOW my wife is sleepin' with the BEES!"

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,645v

Posted 2009/07/10 - 16:34 GMT

And what, exactly, do communism, socialism, and/or facism have to do with evolution or creationism?

rationalist (ben)

3 days - 3,596v

Posted 2009/07/10 - 17:00 GMT

They are bad. Bad things automatically go together.

Rape is bad and salmonella is bad therefore rape and salmonella are related in someway.

You just need to put your Creationist glasses on. Ken Ham can explain it to you.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,645v

Posted 2009/07/11 - 23:29 GMT

They are bad. Bad things automatically go together.

I expect so, though I was hoping he'd give an answer at least more interesting that Hovind's usual "there are communists who are atheists, therefore atheism causes communism" post-hoc fallacy.

You just need to put your Creationist glasses on. Ken Ham can explain it to you.

Maybe we need a new prescription for our Bible glasses - to correct our Bible astigmatism (naturally).

9tails

2 days - 3,026v

Posted 2009/07/11 - 9:47 GMT

lol

All I have to say is that you people should be ashamed.

lol, you people are hilarious.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,142v

Posted 2009/07/11 - 12:19 GMT

lol

All I have to say is that you people should be ashamed.

lol, you people are hilarious."

no actually the people who say communism/fascism/socialism like they are interchangeable should be embarrased.

why? because they obviously flunked history class.

you people don't even know the differences or the historical importance and morphology of these 2 idealogies (!!) and the economic system.

you just wallow in your ignorance of the subject and keep repeating the same old paranoid crap.

or perhaps you feel obliged to actually point out WHY we should be ashamed 9tails? instead of just saying "All I have to say is that you people should be ashamed." and not providing any backup for that accusation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism (and no, don't even think that the soviet symbol is the only symbol for communism, it's just one of the best known symbols, so it's easier)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

and remember, wiki only list existing information (like the thousands of studies and essays done on the subject) and doesn't pull crap out of it's ass.

LEARN, THEN you have the right to consider yourself on equal footing to discuss something.

let's see what you come up with.

9tails

2 days - 3,026v

Posted 2009/07/11 - 23:38 GMT

Bah!

Anyone that would use , lies , veiled threats , direct threats , oppression , deception , tyranny , persecution , personal attacks or leverage to impose their will, as the liberals do, shoud be ashamed of they self.

rationalist (ben)

3 days - 3,596v

Posted 2009/07/12 - 0:22 GMT

Bah!

Anyone that would use , lies , veiled threats , direct threats , oppression , deception , tyranny , persecution , personal attacks or leverage to impose their will, as the Christian Church does, shoud be ashamed of they self.

Fixed that for you.

Keep in mind that not everyone that points out your errors is a liberal.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,645v

Posted 2009/07/12 - 20:42 GMT

And what about the lies, threats, and personal attacks that you and bigdog have frequently engaged in?

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,645v

Posted 2009/07/12 - 20:50 GMT

lol

...

lol, you people are hilarious.

I see someone is easily amused.

All I have to say is that you people should be ashamed.

Why, did we make you cry?

bromiller

21 minutes - 9v

Posted 2009/07/15 - 0:11 GMT

To tbwc325ad.

You are clearly brain washed.Its no secret what the RC or her jesuits are up to.Quit being like the ostrich that hides his little head in the sand so he cant hear or see.

Pathetic absolutely pathetic.You are probably a Jesuit yourself.I have a 12 inch steel toed boot for the wicked jesuit order.Dont you know that there can`t be a tax invasion since its illegal for the IRS to force tax on its citizens?

Do some research about what really happened in 1913.The real criminals is the goverment of jailing the people who wont pay them what is not theirs.Ministries that register with the gov becomes government property {I.E.HIRELINGS}God will reveal every secret on the day HE cast the Jesuit order in the Lake of Fire and it will not be much longer.

Go get a life Mr Igmo-Ramo`s.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,142v

Posted 2009/07/15 - 0:28 GMT

"You are clearly brain washed.Its no secret what the RC or her jesuits are up to.Quit being like the ostrich that hides his little head in the sand so he cant hear or see."

WATCH/READ THE DAM NEWS.

"Pathetic absolutely pathetic.You are probably a Jesuit yourself."

apparently you don't come on this forum alot, because i already explaineed WHY IM A CONVINCED ATHEIST.

"Do some research about what really happened in 1913."

WOW, you where talking about WACKO and jim jones, NOT 1913 i'll have to look that up

"God will reveal every secret on the day HE cast the Jesuit order in the Lake of Fire and it will not be much longer."

ok, NOW is the moment that you have to debate the jesuiits on WHY they go to hell, and not you..,

"
Go get a life Mr Igmo-Ramo`s."

i have one, and you don't seem to live it outside of your own little reality.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,645v

Posted 2009/07/18 - 15:11 GMT

You are clearly brain washed.Its no secret what the RC or her jesuits are up to.Quit being like the ostrich that hides his little head in the sand so he cant hear or see.
[.... blah blah more inane blathering ...]

Ah yes - vague, rambling, barely-coherent conspiracy theories.

Pathetic absolutely pathetic.You are probably a Jesuit yourself.

Let me guess: are there also Jesuits hiding in your closet? Or *gasp* under your bed?!?

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