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Where did they go?
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Submitted By ben on 09/07/07
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It would appear that the creationists have all run away.
 
Does anyone know where they went?
 
In the thread where BigDog made wild accusations that several posters were pedophiles, there was a comment made about other creationist websites. Where are they?
 
I would love to find people that are ignorant and give them the evidence so that those that are not unwilling to see the truth can accept it.

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Posted 2009/07/07 - 17:37 GMT
Have you ever thought that maybe creationists don't like to waste there time with ignorant people that want to waste their time?
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Posted 2009/07/07 - 18:56 GMT
"Have you ever thought that maybe creationists don't like to waste there time with ignorant people that want to waste their time?"
 
will you ever understand the incredible irony of that statement?
 
i'll be here as long as there is ignorance trying to destroy science and polluting the schools.
 
if you want to silence me, refute me with solid arguments.
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 5:24 GMT
Then why are you here?  Thats been done like a hundred times at least I guess.  Dont know, didnt count. 
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 15:11 GMT
Thats been done like a hundred times at least I guess.
 
Facepalm.
 
WHAT has been done "like a hundred times"?
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Posted 2009/07/07 - 19:38 GMT
It is the Creationists that are ignorant. You cannot honestly think that the rational posters simply don't know the silly stuff that Creationists spout out. We show time and again how that is flawed and yet it gets trotted out again.
 
No the ignorance is simply in those that make outrageous claims like that there was a world wide flood or that their is evidence of the Earth only being a few thousand years old.
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Posted 2009/07/11 - 1:43 GMT
Have you ever thought that maybe creationists don't like to waste there time with ignorant people that want to waste their time?
 
Don't know if you've noticed, but the creationists around here don't really need any help from us "ignorant people" in that department - they do a more than adequate job of wasting their own time.
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Posted 2009/08/06 - 1:20 GMT
Are you coonkiller?
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 5:22 GMT
look in the mirror Ben
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 15:13 GMT
look in the mirror Ben
 
Whatever meds you're on, you might want go have the dosage increased.
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Posted 2009/07/08 - 0:20 GMT
If anyone figures out where they went please list it here.
 
http://templarben.blogspot.com/
 
Man I love Creationists.
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Posted 2009/07/11 - 9:57 GMT
and I love being a creationist.
 
oh, the titles can get arduous to keep up with.
 
Creationist, Conservative, Christian, Theist but most of all
 
Providentialist
 
Of course there is a casual relationship with all these titles.
 
christians are theists are providentialist (if they have any sense) are creationists (or else they wouldn't be christian) are conservative (a liberal christian is like a healthy fat man)
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Posted 2009/07/11 - 12:23 GMT
"christians are theists are providentialist (if they have any sense)"
 
wasn't it one of those christian virtues to "NOT JUDGE"? this is the "no true scotssman rebuttal" and it fails so hard for the reason that it is a terribly ad hoc rebuttal.
 
"are creationists (or else they wouldn't be christian)"
 
UCH* definign your own terms
 
"are conservative (a liberal christian is like a healthy fat man)"
 
see what i mean.
 
"i and everyone who thinks like me is a christian, everone who doesn't even if they believe in christ, ISNT A CHRISTIAN!"
 
THAT is the true content of your post.
and i'll let the 100+ (exxageration) other christian denominations call you on your bullshit.
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Posted 2009/07/11 - 14:15 GMT
and I love being a creationist.
 
I don't doubt that. Thinking is hard.
 
oh, the titles can get arduous to keep up with.
 
I agree but I suppose it is better for you if you are not consistent and make false connections.
 
Creationist, Conservative, Christian, Theist but most of all Providentialist
 
Since you have a habit of using words inappropriately, do you know what those actually mean?
 
Of course there is a casual relationship with all these titles.
 
And that would be a no. Well that or you have no idea what you are actually writing. For instance you said casual where by the context you meant causal and neither is accurate.
 
christians are theists are providentialist (if they have any sense) are creationists (or else they wouldn't be christian) are conservative (a liberal christian is like a healthy fat man)
 
Let's examine that.
 
Christians are theists. That is true by defination.
 
Theists are Providentialists. That is not true. Outside of fundamentalist circles there have not been Providentialists since we slaughtered the Native Americans as part of God's Will. You realize that as a Providentialist you can't do things like use birth control or get vaccines right?
 
Christians are Creationists. (I changed to Christians instead of Providentialists since you stated a new one.)
Non-Creationists are not Christian.
 
If you put all in the first one (all Christians...) and the first one is true than the second one would be true but that is a large leap. Please point to the doctrine that requires Creationism to be a Christian.
 
Christian was first used to describe those in Antioch because they were Christ like in their behavior. This fits with your last assertion.
 
Christians are Conservative. Jesus was liberal. In fact, Jesus was a communist. Jesus required his followers to sell all of their belongings and to poll the money so that all resourses were shared equally. That is communism just like on those Hippy communes (notice the name as that should tell you a lot).
 
Webster's dictionary defines a Liberal as one who is open minded, not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional or established forms or ways. Since that fits Jesus exactly then explain how he is not a liberal.
 
Once again we have epic fail on your part.
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Posted 2009/07/11 - 15:54 GMT
"Jesus was liberal. In fact, Jesus was a communist."
 
that is one of those thigns that bother me about these fundies in the right.
HOW can they worship jezus so and yet dispide even the most basic form of communism.
 
remember, communism isn't limited to what we saw in china, or what we saw in russia or what we saw in cuba or what we saw with Jones.
notice i treat these regimes DIFFERENTLY. because glossing over the difference in those forms of comunism IS INTELECTUALLY DISHONEST.
 
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Posted 2009/07/11 - 23:34 GMT
I don't argue colors with the blind, nor do I dither in arguing the inherently destructive and dangerous qualities of communism, socialism and facism.
 
I think it's funny that liberals stake a claim at 'intellectual honesty', thats to be found nowhere in liberal politics or social science.
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Posted 2009/07/12 - 0:15 GMT
I don't argue colors with the blind, nor do I dither in arguing the inherently destructive and dangerous qualities of communism, socialism and facism.
 
It is more accurate to say you don't argue colors because you are blind. You are completely ignorant about what those systems even stand for so it is not surprising that you are running from that.
 
I think it's funny that liberals stake a claim at 'intellectual honesty', thats to be found nowhere in liberal politics or social science.
 
Point to something that is intellectually dishonest. Also keep in mind that I am a conservative politically and fiscally.
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Posted 2009/07/12 - 11:00 GMT
"I don't argue colors with the blind, nor do I dither in arguing the inherently destructive and dangerous qualities of communism, socialism and facism.|"
 
1) you claim not to argue stuff you don't know, yet you feel confident enough to take on one of the best supported theories in biology with arguments that have been debunked so many times.
funny.
 
2) you didn't read the wiki articles did you?
 
"
I think it's funny that liberals stake a claim at 'intellectual honesty', thats to be found nowhere in liberal politics or social science."
 
1) you avoided the accusation by making it back at me, this doesn't make you anyless intelectually dishonest.
 
2) gief examples of "thats to be found nowhere in liberal politics or social science."
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 5:44 GMT
#1 dont put communism, socialism and facism in the same bathtub.  Someones gona die.  #2 what is so dishonest about the social sciences.  You certainly cannot argue Jesus stand on communism.  Bens discription is accurate. 
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 5:37 GMT
okay Ben you did your homework on this one. 
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29 minutes - 10v
Posted 2009/08/20 - 22:33 GMT
Jesus is Lord, and He loves atheists too. take care guys
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Posted 2009/08/21 - 14:16 GMT
you mean the love u get from your abusive father? How can a omnipotent being not bound by physical laws love? I mean come on! Love is just feelings and reactions in our body and emotional attachment. For someone to love they have to have a body themselves or they cannot express/feel any love, no feelings either for that matter.
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Posted 2009/08/22 - 2:19 GMT
God is a God of love and righteousness. Do you really think that you are convincing anyone here that a non-physical being cannot love? So how did love and emotions evolve? I know allbecause it was necesassary and by accident, right? You just want to live in the fairy tale that no one is gonna judge you for your actions in the end. What gets me is why you hang around all day long trying to get other people to believe you.
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Posted 2009/08/22 - 9:45 GMT
"Do you really think that you are convincing anyone here that a non-physical being cannot love?"
 
yes, as the emotion "love" that is experienced by humans, is a complex array of chemicals working on lots and lots of neuron's who govenr pleasant feelings.
 
"So how did love and emotions evolve?"
 
simple, in a increasingly complex social structure, there is a high selective preassure for induviduals that are adapt at social interactions, love would allow a group to stick together better, increase the paternal bond, increase motivation for certain type of behaviour.
 
it's so bloody simple.
 
" I know allbecause it was necesassary and by accident,"
 
if it was nessacary, it would be by accident.
 
"You just want to live in the fairy tale that no one is gonna judge you for your actions in the end."
 
lul WHAT?
are you telling me society ISN"T JUDGING ME RIGHT NOW?!!
 
what kind of fairy tale world do you live in where the people around you don't interact with you on your dicisions?!
 
"What gets me is why you hang around all day long trying to get other people to believe you."
 
no, i'm trying to get people to become more scientific litterate, and quit buying the crap of "creation science".
 
we all are the future of mankind, and it's detrimental for the colective if a part doesn't participate in the progression of the knowledge that we've build up over the years.
 
i want to see an end of the consumption of depletable recourses, i want to see and end to diseases, i want to see the people colonize mars.
 
and i'll try my damned hardest to get as many people working at gathering the knowledge nessacary for doing these things as a species.
 
btw, ronnie, you STILL have to clear up the whole pedophilia thing.
 
you see, you answer to the rest of humanity while you're here, not just to god.
 
 
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 5:55 GMT
And what has human emotion to do with God?  How can you prove what emotions a spirit has?  Can you prove the existence of spirit?  If you cant it is rather pointless to argue the emotions they posess
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Posted 2009/08/23 - 14:47 GMT
evolution explains our emotions for survival, but ur to ignorant of what evolution is so you wouldn't understand it anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_emotion
http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F1142&viewtype=text&pageseq=1

So no a non-physical being cannot feel love or any feeling at all. It comes from an evolutionary process as Darwin described in his works.

JUdging argument is bullshit. If u kill someone people will stop trusting you and you will be punished by society. If you did that when we lived in small groups it would weaken the group and lower survivability. Our behavior can be traced to animal behavior and that is predicted by ToE.

If you think the only reason you don't go out kill and rape because of gods "rules" you really need some therapy man.

"What gets me is why you hang around all day long trying to get other people to believe you. "
- Why? you're doing the same ting... and that isn't really my motivation. When you spew out claims form ignorance and prejudice we are obligated for the sake of humanity to stop the spreading of stupidity.
Bullshit spreads like wildfire in a crowd.

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Re: Where did they go?
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 5:49 GMT
Show us the evidence
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Posted 2009/08/23 - 17:02 GMT
Jesus is Lord, and He loves atheists too. take care guys
 
The best response I can offer is the following quote:
 
...the Holocaust proves there's no God of the sort most religious believers imagine. [...] Isn't it obvious that these two statements -

   A. 'God allowed the Holocaust.'
   B. 'God doesn't exist.'

- are equivalent and identical? I'm not saying 'A, therefore B', I am saying 'A and B have the same meaning.'

[...]it proves He doesn't matter. A God who would allow the Holocaust isn't an active moral agent, and the question of His existence becomes moot.
 
- Paul Lutus, Social Narcissism
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 5:46 GMT
I was waiting for someone to nail it.  How come these comments never land under the post Im replying to?  This is to God loving athiests.  Arent you athiests lucky? 
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Posted 2009/08/24 - 21:45 GMT
they all probably read this document:
http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/forum/christian_warning.htm

I quote it:
"2. Evolutionists will try to lead you into endless debate, and they will more often than not succeed! They will always, almost without exception, get the last word. They will be relentless. This is all part of getting you to waste your time, which the spiritual enemy just loves to see you do (the evolutionist person does not necessarily “love” that they waste your time, many are probably unaware of the demonic influence on them)."

"Evolutionists believe what they do despite any evidence presented to them. They are firmly committed to a worldview that removes accountability. Without exception, I have found that the committed evolutionist activist is always, I mean always, socially liberal. This ubiquitous connection overwhelmingly establishes the fact that you will likely never convince them, because it is not evidence but worldview that drives them; they simply do not want to be convinced"


Fun read tho :P
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Posted 2009/08/27 - 7:02 GMT
Could everyone where ever and whenever possible, especially on blogs, you tube, and anywhere on the internet  make mention  of Matthew 17:25 "Jesus said "What do you think, Simon?" HE asked. "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own sons or from others?" "From others," Peter answered. "Then the sons are exempt," Jesus said to him." along with re mentioning that the whole family served in the ministry, I am at war on Wikipedia on the Kent Hovind" article with some haters that keep erasing this fact, and I believe it important in clearing his name. Especially with many Christians backing away from his work because he went to prison, and especially for new believers, or seekers who want to understand if he is legit.
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 15:23 GMT
Could everyone where ever and whenever possible, especially on blogs, you tube, and anywhere on the internet 
 
Wow. I knew creationists were shameless - but asking people to spam is a new low.
 
I am at war on Wikipedia on the Kent Hovind" article with some haters that keep erasing this fact, and I believe it important in clearing his name.
 
Hahaha, good luck with that.
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Posted 2009/08/27 - 18:10 GMT
I went and joined the evolutionfairytale.com forum after reading that page.
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Posted 2009/08/28 - 17:01 GMT
lol isabella, i did the same thing.

Also found this one http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/articles_debates/evolutiondefinition.htm

An article describing what micro and macro evolution is without defining "kind". Another fine writing in ignorance ;)

"Microevolution is a misnomer, since it is not evolution as most people understand the word, but instead is adaptation and variation within a kind of organism - lizards are still lizards, dogs are still dogs, and peppered moths are still peppered moths! Evolutionists invariably appeal to this kind of "evolution" as "proof" for their theory. "
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 15:35 GMT
lol isabella, i did the same thing.
 
Did they actually approve your account registration? I tried to do the same, but it looks like the forums require admin approval for new accounts & it looks like mine got rejected.
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 17:07 GMT
It took about 24 hours for them to approve, but I wouldn't be too surprised if they limit the number of atheists on the forum.
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 17:47 GMT
yeah I can't wait to help you in your discussion isabella xD
I'll have to try posting again to see if i got accepted. Oh and there seem to be a bit more creationists then atheists...
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 20:21 GMT
I wouldn't be too surprised if they limit the number of atheists on the forum.
 
No doubt, since they ask for religious affiliation & views on evolution during signup. Wouldn't want to have us godless heathens ruining the acoustics of their little echo chamber!
 
I think I'll try re-registering as "JesusIsMagic" this time, since there probably aren't many creationists familiar with Sarah Silverman :)
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Posted 2009/08/29 - 20:50 GMT
i got accepted now, and isn't sarah silverman jewish and foul mouthed? I wonder if there's as many jews who believe in creation just as christians...
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Posted 2009/08/30 - 14:49 GMT
isn't sarah silverman jewish and foul mouthed?
 
Yup, she's a comedian, "Jesus is Magic" was the name of one of standup acts.
 
I wonder if there's as many jews who believe in creation just as christians...
 
Not from what I've seen - in North America, at least, creationism seems to be limited to fundamentalists baptists. Even most other Christians seem to find Creationism embarrassing.
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Posted 2009/08/30 - 14:51 GMT
Hahaha, this is great - I re-registered as a Christian young-earth creationist and my signup was accepted within an hour.
 
On top of that, I just got this message from one of the forum admins:
 
"Hi,

Using the member name: Jesus is magic, associates Christ with pagan religions which includes witches etc... So we would prefer that you choose another name and we will change it for you.

Thanks."
 
Hmmm, any suggestions?
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Posted 2009/08/30 - 15:40 GMT
"Hmmm, any suggestions?"
 
"bygod'sfireignorancebepurged"
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Posted 2009/08/30 - 17:05 GMT
Jesus is non-pagan magic? :P
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Posted 2009/08/30 - 17:29 GMT
Haha, thanks.
 
I ended up asking them to change it to "Iunctus Ophidia" ("United Snakes" in Latin).
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Posted 2009/08/30 - 23:32 GMT
would that be a metaphor for the serpent in the garden of eden? :P
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Posted 2009/08/31 - 18:04 GMT
It's a pun on "United States" and a reference to a comedy troupe from the 60s & 70s called "The Firesign Theatre."
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Posted 2009/09/01 - 17:55 GMT
Oh, i have no idea what that is tbh :P

I think i got banned for advocating that "molecules-to-man evolution" was a strawman of evolution and that they should change it to singlecell-to-man evolution instead.

All their arguments are basically that abiogenesis is impossible so therefore they discard evolution because it's the molecules-to-man myth.
Also they advocate that we should give them evidence for abiogenesis and evolution instead of them giving evidence for creationism. This with a bad analogy to atheism and theism asking if god exists.
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Posted 2009/09/01 - 22:49 GMT
Oh, i have no idea what that is tbh :P
 
If you're a fan of absurdist comedy (Monty Python, Simpsons, etc), I'd recommend checking them out (a few of their albums have been posted to youtube, etc).
 
I think i got banned for advocating that "molecules-to-man evolution" was a strawman of evolution and that they should change it to singlecell-to-man evolution instead.
 
That figures - it looks like they allow just enough "evolutionists" to validate their delusions of persecution.
 
I think I'll try posing as a creationist on there for a bit, just to see how much ridiculous BS I can get them to agree to. Shouldn't be difficult, as most fundamentalists seem to be incapable of detecting irony.
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Posted 2009/09/02 - 12:46 GMT
¨Shouldn't be difficult, as most fundamentalists seem to be incapable of detecting irony.¨
 
or utter crap for that matter.
 
ie looked around on christian forums in the creationists section....the creationists there are either batshit insane, or they are incapable of learning from what they read.
 
like someone who tried the ¨why are there still bacteria¨ falalcy, and then had his ass handed to him by biologists who explained to him that bacteria are the most diverse forms of life on earth.
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Posted 2009/09/04 - 13:56 GMT
or utter crap for that matter.
 
Yeah, that describes two of the most typical characteristics of creationists (and fundies in general):
 
1) They are unable to accept the unknown, so they prefer to accept obvious bullshit - just as long as it's stated with certainty & confidence (to quote Robert Heinlein, " Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help").
 
2) They don't understand (or deliberately confuse) the difference between conviction and knowledge (that's why you hear Christians saying things like "I know the biblical story of creation is true" or "I know God exists").
 
like someone who tried the ¨why are there still bacteria¨ falalcy, and then had his ass handed to him by biologists who explained to him that bacteria are the most diverse forms of life on earth.
 
It's clear that the vast majority of creationists have no understanding of the theory of evolution beyond an elementary science textbook level (which is probably also why they focus so much on those sources). They just don't have the scientific literacy (or the intellectual honesty) to understand scientific literature aimed at adults.
 
The most absurd part, to me, is that creationists can accept obvious BS like talking snakes, virgin birth, Jonah getting swallowed by a whale, etc - but they can't accept the idea that life develops/developed through natural processes.
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Posted 2009/09/04 - 21:24 GMT
Someone on youtube put it like this:
"Some people FAIL to see that Evolution and Evolutionary Biology is directly responsible for all the medical advances sense the early 1900's

Those silly things like

Curing Cancer
Brain surgery
Psychiatric drugs
Pain medicine
Virus Vaccines
Study of Bacteria
Curing AIDS, HIV, Sickle Cell
Treating Radiation Poisoning, High Cholesterol, Heart Disease, Parkinson's Disease

And SO MUCH MORE!

You try to destroy the very Science that keeps you ALIVE! You sick, stupid, drooling fucks "

what did we get from creationism the 1750 years before Darwin? nope nothing.
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Posted 2009/09/05 - 6:27 GMT
"sense the early 1900's."

Curing AIDS and HIV? You idiot. There is no known cure for AIDS and HIV. And if there was one, it wouldn't because of some animal to man idiotic idea of evolution.

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Posted 2009/09/05 - 10:33 GMT
"Curing AIDS and HIV? You idiot. There is no known cure for AIDS and HIV."
 
not yet ofc. though we have lots of rigorous treatment, but a cure can be found, (think of some antithese DNA treatment, or a strain of white blood cells that can recognize HIV, ofc lets not also forget that HIV infections in africa have cause the surfacing of a RESISTANCE GENE in prostitute population)
 
ofc we musn't also forget that most northern europeans also carry a resistance gene, but thatt allele frequency has been greatly diminished by historical influences (read romans introducing different ethnic groups into northern europe).
ofc, the decline of such allel frequency can be explained by ToE,  selective pressure against this gene=decline in the the allele frequency of this gene.
 
but i digress.
lets have a look at HIV.
HIV has a close resemblence with SIV, which infects....monkeys...go figure.
if we didn't share a commen ancestor with the rest of the primates, then WHY does HIV so closely resemble SIV (as in it originated from SIV) and WHY then is it that we where so seceptable to a virus that is so closely related to SIV.
the answer is ofcourse, because we are so genetically similar, and we are that, because we shared a commen ancestor not all that long ago (geochronologically speaking).
 
ofc this opens up a possibility.
if HIV DID evolve from SIV. if we can't find a cure for HIV, but we can for SIV, we might open up new treatment methods.
 
or  BETTER! if we find a simian population with a resistance gene to SIV (and so possible also to HIV, because of the proties capsules), we could transplant that gene into humans and see if it might work for us aswell.
 
ofc, al of this wouldn't be explainable, or even thought of as possible IF.....ToE wasn't correct.
 
"And if there was one, it wouldn't because of some animal to man idiotic idea of evolution."
 
oh yes, it would be.
 
ofc funny enough, you only chose to attack the HIV claim, NOT the rest of the claims.
 
also you didn't even challance the taunt of:
"what did we get from creationism the 1750 years before Darwin? nope nothing."
 
mmmm.....
 
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Posted 2009/09/05 - 12:00 GMT
"Curing AIDS and HIV?"
- There are people who are immune to HIV thanks to evolution and natural selection. The claim was based on that.

"There is no known cure for AIDS and HIV."
- Natural selection in areas with high percentage of HIV and AIDS makes people resistant or immune to the virus survive. It's a textbook example of natural selection in action. But then again we cannot possibly believe that you would understand this with your very lacking knowledge in this field.

"There is no known cure for AIDS and HIV"
- There are medicine that greatly inhibits the virus, not really curing but close enough.

"You idiot."
- I kinda liked this quote since i can quotemine you every time you make a fool out of yourself. Also the list was not written by me, it says in the top of my post "Someone on youtube put it like this". dumbass.

You idiot. Now answer my question.
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Posted 2010/01/05 - 23:26 GMT
sorry, just a general question here. on forums like these people always talk about how evolution explains the diversity of life. but in all cases that I have found, the only examples or explanations they could give was for fauna not flora.
 
Probably a stupid question, but how does it explain the diversity in plant life? just for the sake of having a discussion. 
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Re: Where did they go?
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Posted 2010/01/06 - 16:01 GMT
" but in all cases that I have found, the only examples or explanations they could give was for fauna not flora."
 
HAHA, you haven't really looked into botanony have you?
you have any idea how much research has been ndoen to the evolution of plants?
(yes, theres lots of pants on that list of "observed instances of speciation" on talkorigins.)
 
not to mention the absolutely profitable it is to study the evolution of the organsims we are al dependant on.
 
"Probably a stupid question, but how does it explain the diversity in plant life? just for the sake of having a discussion. "
 
how about you actually research the subject before you ask such question.
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Re: Where did they go?
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Posted 2010/01/06 - 0:10 GMT
Anthony,
Google species of whales, species of dogs, species of whatever. Evolution explains why there is such diversity of species. Additionally it explains why and how we ALL evolved from a common ancestor. Yes, our relative the single cell organism.
It explains why some life forms evolved into other life forms. How and why some life forms have remained unchanged for a very long time becuase they are perfectly suited to their environment. Why some life forms have changed more over that same time period because their environment changed.
The Diversity of life rather than just what some would call "the best" life form.
I am not implying that there is a "best" life form.
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Re: Where did they go?
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Posted 2010/01/06 - 0:14 GMT
oops... i switched around your flora and fauna and forgot which one you said we talked about more.
Not going to retype that all out but i think the reason we talk about fauna more than flora is because we do a better job of identifying families of fauna than flora. I can barely tell the difference between any fauna. But i can tell a dog from a cat quite easily.
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Re: Where did they go?
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Posted 2010/01/06 - 2:59 GMT
to Anthony:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=evolution+of+plants&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2001&as_sdtp=on

Gives about 2,29 million posts about the evolution of plants.
Where you will find something like this:
http://159.226.26.14/upload/blog/file/2008/8/200882817352725790.pdf


They follow the same basic rules tbh. For example in the savannah of africa you got grass and trees with leafs only in the top of the tree and thorns for example. This is due to the selective pressure of animals eating habbits. A tree that can grow thorns and have all its leafs higher than any animal can reach will make it better for survival and spreading "offspring". A plant is either under pressure from animals eating the plants or from environmental pressure. An example of the latter is cactaus or certain plants in tropic environment that only opens its airholes during the night to stop it from drying out by losing to much water. There's probably more examples, but i can't really come up with them now cuz it's 4 in the morning and i should go  to bed.


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