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What Darwinists Have to Grapple With: Physicists See Perfection in Biology
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Submitted By bigdog on 09/06/05
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Posted by Anika Smith on June 1, 2009 11:36 AM | Permalink

The scientists at Biologic Institute have noticed something sure to challenge and trouble Darwinian biologists: physicists are recognizing perfection as a principle in biology.

When we think of simple, elegant, unifying principles in science, we think of physics. It’s not surprising then that physicists who examine living systems are looking for principles of this kind.
And it seems they have found one. Simply stated, it is that biological processes tend to be optimal in cases where this can be tested. Life’s complexity can make it hard to pinpoint what “optimal” means, but sometimes physical limits provide a crisp definition. Because these limits cannot possibly be exceeded, they serve as an objective standard of perfection. Interestingly, in cases where it is clearly beneficial to edge right up to this standard, that’s exactly what life seems to do.

For decades enzymologists have recognized that certain enzymes are catalytically perfect—meaning that they process reactant molecules as rapidly as these molecules can reach them by diffusion. That hinted at a principle of physical perfection in biology, but no one anticipated its breadth until recently. (Read the rest at the blog contained in the link.)

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/06/what_darwinists_have_to_grappl.html

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Re: What Darwinists Have to Grapple With: Physicists See Perfection in Biology
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2009/06/05 - 11:08 GMT
you know
you could have just said
ICR.
 
"Because these limits cannot possibly be exceeded, they serve as an objective standard of perfection."
 
lol FAIL.
this means you have to ignore the environmental changes in the organism habitat or the cells surroundings.
 
"Interestingly, in cases where it is clearly beneficial to edge right up to this standard, that’s exactly what life seems to do."
 
which they wouldn't do because? do these people have any idea of the complex negative and positive feedback systems osmoses, polymerization and enzymes allow for?
 
"That hinted at a principle of physical perfection in biology"
 
so a molcecule works best under certain conditions and it's most beneficial to keep those conditions as such. so therefore god dunnit?
 
no. these ICR claims don't get any less ignorant.
 
and i find the name of their page misleading.
they imply that it is an actual scientific source regarding evolution. and not one of their poster sites.
 
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Re: What Darwinists Have to Grapple With: Physicists See Perfection in Biology
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Posted 2009/06/05 - 13:12 GMT
Great post, bigdog.
 
Interesting that physics itself is a perfect system of rules, as well, biology follows a perfect system of laws and boundaries in itself. Consequently, limitations as well. They are catching on.
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Re: What Darwinists Have to Grapple With: Physicists See Perfection in Biology
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Posted 2009/06/05 - 13:46 GMT
"biology follows a perfect system of laws and boundaries in itself.'
....
 
dude.
 
the compounds in the cell are subject to the exact same forces as those in rocks.
 
you disrupt the balance, and the compounds react in such a way that the cell "dies".
 
"Consequently, limitations as well. They are catching on."
 
like what?
an enzyme deforming due to temperature, Ph or an inhibitor?
that's not biology. THATS CHEMISRTY. it's simply the disruption of the polymers shape due to something...
 
catching on to what?
you REALLY think that the biologists who formulated and are testing ToE, have no idea about actual biology?
 
this is just another "look it's so perfect god must have done it".
 
ITS JUST BLOODY ORGANIC CHEMISTRY!
if it works. it's gonna keep replicating if it doesn't ITS NOT. AND THAT'S WHY we find only the working examples.
 
 
 
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Re: What Darwinists Have to Grapple With: Physicists See Perfection in Biology
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Posted 2009/06/05 - 14:26 GMT
Bigdog seriously...
first of all, nothing in biology is perfect. Is there a reason for organisms to choose the chemical reaction that is not the most advantaged? An example is why we make lactic acid instead of ethanol in our muscles when we run out of air. We get more energy out of the reactions by making lactic acid than ethanol, but ofc the regular citric acid cycle is the most advantaged. If you get the most beneficial results of anything biological ofc you're gonna get it!

As an example for us not being perfect. We continue to get more and more intelligente. Why? Haven't we already reached a maximum of intelligence? Another thing could be that we are not optimized for our enviroment. Our intelligence have furthered our survival so much our natural selection fell behind. If we would have been more optimized for our enviroment we would have a better back for example and more ribs.

When it comes to physical limits, look up this http://tsienlab.ucsd.edu/Publications/Tsien%201998%20Annu.%20Rev.%20Biochem%20-%20GFP.pdf

It's GFP, or green fluorescent protein. A protein made by jellyfish if i remember it right. It can be added to a lot of genes in all kinds of organism to highlight a certain area. If we can take genes from other animals and make a good selection for those genes there is no limits.

Enzymes are not catalytically perfect, there are a whole range of different enzymes in both catalytic and anabolic processes. Enzymes can be inhibited in a number of different ways and they are really sensitive to pH, substrate concentration and the temperature. There are reasons why we have the temperature we have in our bodies. The most optimal temp for most processes (and yes i have tested both pH, substrate concentration and temp with enzyme activity).  Also there are different isomeres of the same enzyme in different species.

The only thing physics has to do with this is quantum mechanics for atoms and molecules.

"It’s not surprising then that physicists who examine living systems are looking for principles of this kind. "
- Anyone see any problem with this statement? Why would a physicist examine living systems?! IT'S THE JOB FOR A BIOLOGIST!!!
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Re: What Darwinists Have to Grapple With: Physicists See Perfection in Biology
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Posted 2009/06/06 - 3:04 GMT

The idea of the article and her blog is to show how both sciences are complimenting each other in understanding. You FAIL.
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Re: What Darwinists Have to Grapple With: Physicists See Perfection in Biology
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Posted 2009/06/06 - 14:12 GMT
Well they're not so how is that fail for anyone but creation?

We showed so well why...


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