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What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
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Submitted By doctorofscience on 09/05/02
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I've noticed that many creationists like to use the words "faith" and "religion" as terms of derision - usually when describing scientific findings or theories that they dislike.
 
For example, there's Kent Hovind's constant repetition of the phrase "that's not science, it's a reee-leee-geeee-on." Or take these two recent quotes from bigdog:
 
"These are based on assumptions. Another word is faith."
http://forum.freehovind.com/view-id-3582-c-0#c0
 
"So to date unkown aged rocks and trust it is foolish. It is blind faith."
http://forum.freehovind.com/view-2704
 
So, in the words of the forum's sole remaining creationist, faith is "foolish" and an "assumption." Are creationists truly so oblivious that they can't see the contradiction?
 
Or are they just so deseperate to attack science that they don't mind indirectly attacking themselves in the process?

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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
4 days - 5,621v
Posted 2009/05/03 - 17:21 GMT

You have to have more common sense than that sci-borg. We as Christians have faith. We are just trying to show you that you have faith in evolution because there is no solid scientific evidence that we come from monkey like creatures or that the world is millions of years old.
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2009/05/03 - 19:25 GMT
"You have to have more common sense than that sci-borg. We as Christians have faith. We are just trying to show you that you have faith in evolution because there is no solid scientific evidence that we come from monkey like creatures or that the world is millions of years old."
 
just repeating this doesn't make it any less false.
 
 
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
12 hours - 1,085v
Posted 2009/05/03 - 20:40 GMT
We need to clear up some definitions here. I admit that I have faith in science, however it is not the same faith that you have in religion. If you look up faith in the online dictionary, the very first definition is, "confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability". In that sense, I would agree that I have faith. I am confidant that evolution is the best explanation for the diversification of life, and I trust the evidence that supports it (fossils, genomes, ect).

But the next definition of faith is "belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact." That is exactly what religious faith entails. You have a hypothesis, such as the flood, and you are faithful that you will find facts to support it. In science, we never put faith into our hypotheses. Scientific experiments usually have 2 hypotheses: the alternate and the null. A scientist is prepared to abandon the alternate hypothesis and accept that the null hypothesis is true if he or she doesn't find enough evidence. But you have no evidence for god, and you are unwilling to give up your hypothesis that he's out there. That, bigdog, is religious faith. Not faith in science.
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2009/05/03 - 21:30 GMT
thank you WWDD.
 
no more semantics plz bigdog.
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2009/05/03 - 23:03 GMT
You have to have more common sense than that sci-borg.
 
Than what? Than to expect a set of internally-consistent arguments from creationists?
 
We as Christians have faith. We are just trying to show you that you have faith in evolution
 
Yeahhhhh, no. Confidence in a scientific theory is not the same thing as blind religious faith - no matter how many times you repeat the claim.
 
because there is no solid scientific evidence that we come from monkey like creatures or that the world is millions of years old.
 
There is ample evidence for both - from a number of different scientific fields. But every time it's presented to you, you either fall silent, go into "la la la I'm not listening" mode, or veer into some off-topic rant about abortion/Obama/whatever.
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2009/05/03 - 21:33 GMT
Bigdog there are no scientific evidence for you being a jackass, still everyone here thinks ur one.


I wonder why?
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2009/05/03 - 21:41 GMT
"Bigdog there are no scientific evidence for you being a jackass, still everyone here thinks ur one."
 
lets do an experiment and make some scientific evidence ^^.
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2009/05/03 - 22:28 GMT
give the lad an IQ-test!

or even worse... a science-test! :D
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
4 days - 5,621v
Posted 2009/05/04 - 3:44 GMT

By evidence of your name calling laddy boy, I believe it is you that needs to question yourself on wether you've been brainwashed to believe that we came from monkey like creatures millions of years ago or are you just choosing to be willingly ignorant to the fact of the advancing science that is causing your beloved monkey to man myth to crumble, and it leaves you left with the truth of the Bible, which you hate, and reduced to childish name calling.
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
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Posted 2009/05/04 - 9:53 GMT
"By evidence of your name calling laddy boy, I believe it is you that needs to question yourself on wether you've been brainwashed to believe that we came from monkey like creatures millions of years ago or are you just choosing to be willingly ignorant to the fact of the advancing science that is causing your beloved monkey to man myth to crumble, and it leaves you left with the truth of the Bible, which you hate, and reduced to childish name calling."
 
in essence.
 
either you believe their natural explination.
or you convert to my religion becasue of the lie i just told.
 
"dvancing science that is causing your beloved monkey to man myth to crumble, and it leaves you left with the truth of the Bible,"
 
no science does not rule agaisnt evolution, and the bible remark is a false dichotomy.
 
gj bigdog, at sucking again at providing a logically argumented post.
 
 
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
2 days - 2,415v
Posted 2009/05/04 - 11:22 GMT
You forgot the "believe in me/my god or you will burn in hell forever/or deserve to die instantly" mentality that most fundementalist christians have, including bigdog.
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
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Posted 2009/05/04 - 11:19 GMT
"I believe it is you that needs to question yourself on wether you've been brainwashed to believe that we came from monkey like creatures millions of years ago or are you just choosing to be willingly ignorant to the fact of the advancing science that is causing your beloved monkey to man myth to crumble,"

You forgot the part where science came to that conclusion based on evidence and not the other way around.

and you said it in the beginning " I believe", hence you don't know. You sure haven't watched the video 325 posted for you.
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
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Posted 2009/05/04 - 13:19 GMT

I've watched plenty of 325's silly videos. And I've looked at the evidence for evolution. It is lousy evidence when put up against scientific scrutiny and logical alternatives.
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
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Posted 2009/05/04 - 14:53 GMT
"I've watched plenty of 325's silly videos. And I've looked at the evidence for evolution. It is lousy evidence when put up against scientific scrutiny and logical alternatives."
 
then why didn't you answer my simple "did you watch it" question, where i asked you to name 1 specific joke in the vids. something you did not do. somehtign that leads me to think you did not watch the vids.
and if you did and made this statement.
 
PUT UP SOME ARGUMENTS TO REFUTE THE VIDS!
 
 
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
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Posted 2009/05/04 - 14:53 GMT
apparently not since you fail to understand the big portion of logic and reasoning some people on this forum shares with the rest. Those videos contain a lot of reasoning and it doesn't get much more clearer than that.

If we where to follow your ilogic and the strive for alternative theories i think we should teach the gospel of the flying spaghetti monster aswell. It is no different from the bible in any way. Come to think of it, it is actually more descriptive of what things are than in the bible...

You like the flying spaghettimonster bigdog?
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2009/05/04 - 15:03 GMT
"If we where to follow your ilogic and the strive for alternative theories i think we should teach the gospel of the flying spaghetti monster aswell. It is no different from the bible in any way. Come to think of it, it is actually more descriptive of what things are than in the bible..."
 
at least the gospel of our YARGH lord tells us he rigged the game and did so on purpose to mislead us.
 
the bible does not say that. and yet the evidence is still there....
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
1 day - 1,411v
Posted 2009/05/05 - 1:12 GMT
Doctor of science; Your use of the illogical arguement would be astute if it wasnt so rediculously missrepresentative of all supporting facts. Faith in what? whos religion? Are you really this incompetent or are you showing off for the girls?
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
5 days - 8,142v
Posted 2009/05/05 - 10:40 GMT
yay kent is back!.
 
"We need to clear up some definitions here. I admit that I have faith in science, however it is not the same faith that you have in religion. If you look up faith in the online dictionary, the very first definition is, "confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability". In that sense, I would agree that I have faith. I am confidant that evolution is the best explanation for the diversification of life, and I trust the evidence that supports it (fossils, genomes, ect).

But the next definition of faith is "belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact." That is exactly what religious faith entails. You have a hypothesis, such as the flood, and you are faithful that you will find facts to support it. In science, we never put faith into our hypotheses. Scientific experiments usually have 2 hypotheses: the alternate and the null. A scientist is prepared to abandon the alternate hypothesis and accept that the null hypothesis is true if he or she doesn't find enough evidence. But you have no evidence for god, and you are unwilling to give up your hypothesis that he's out there. That, bigdog, is religious faith. Not faith in science."
 
READ KENT
 
tnx WWDD
 
oh and kent, next time you say
"Your use of the illogical arguement would be astute if it wasnt so rediculously missrepresentative of all supporting facts."
 
then pull the post apart on show us how its wrong.
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Re: What do Creationists have against faith & religion?
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2009/05/06 - 13:56 GMT
Doctor of science; Your use of the illogical arguement would be astute if it wasnt so rediculously missrepresentative of all supporting facts.
 
That's all well and good, but can you create a composition that is entropic by utilizing the syntactic isolates?!?
 
Mmmm, word soup - it's what's for dinner!
 
 
Faith in what? whos religion?
 
 
The quotes that I referenced were made by creationists. So you tell me.
 
Are you really this incompetent or are you showing off for the girls?
 
Awww, is someone sounding a little bitter?
 


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