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Submitted By 9tails on 09/02/28

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Alright, I found this and had to share it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsuvjEW4UAY&eurl=http://creationwiki.org/Main_Page

I am utterly convinced that freedom, american culture and christianity are in grave danger. As stated in the video, active secular groups are moving to secularize america. I am determined to preserve our christian heritage and will gladly give my life to protect our honor. I support freedom, freedom of choice, freedom of religion, and will work to preserve it. I am also frightened as our freedoms and honor are assaulted daily. I must pledge myself to defend the church against all enemies of christ. My life for the most high.

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9tails

2 days - 3,026v

Posted 2009/02/28 - 6:39 GMT

I have resolved to support creation. I have recently been endorsed by an executive pastor of a local church to study creation and evolution and to supplement the ministry using creation. I have considered studying theology and pursuiting the ministry. Instead, I will try my hand at chemical engineering this fall.

rationalist (ben)

3 days - 3,596v

Posted 2009/02/28 - 15:06 GMT

So you are going to get a degree to use that as some sort of authority to attack science? Yippie.

You can talk about Jebus all you want. Look on youtube.

These guys can tell everyone about how Jebus loves them and is going to send them to Hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DLPxE9ae-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE-1QbGNm7Y

I wouldn't care if the kid dressed up like his fictional hero and it turned out to be a religious figure. Superman, Spiderman, Jesus, and Aquaman are all made up.

Joe (epiclolguy)

1 day - 1,984v

Posted 2009/02/28 - 15:18 GMT

"I support freedom, freedom of choice, freedom of religion, and will work to preserve it"

Unless its the freedom to demonstrate wherever you want, to marry someone of your own sex, etc, etc.

You do realize that America was meant to be a secular nation right? In the1950's we became Jesusland, but this country was supposed to have NO religion at all, except on the personal level. You are not supporting freedom, you are supporting a Christian theocracy, and ignoring all the people in this nation who dont happen to believe the same myths that you do. Want it from the mouths of the founders?

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity"

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes"

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

This one's my favorite, and he's right, religion takes away freedom, it doesn't increase it.

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own"

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814

bigdog

4 days - 5,621v

Posted 2009/02/28 - 16:46 GMT

Go with your dreams and what's best for your family and GOD's

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,142v

Posted 2009/02/28 - 21:14 GMT

CHURCH and home (or wherever you whorship) IS FOR GOD(or whatever deity you whorship).

SCHOOL IS FOR SOCEITY, that is so say SECULAR (since society consists of people with different faiths).

not the otherway around.

you teach knowledge and insight at school, NOT RELIGIOS DOGMA.

which frankly, doesn't support the both of the previous.

reason no to bring religion to young kids, THEY ARE TO VUNERABLE TO indoctrination, of dogmas. leave all that untill they are able to think critically, when that is depends on your education and your familiy, but lets say 15-17 to be safe. and then STILL it has to be taught in a philosophical way and not in a "THIS IS FACT" way.

the clip just proves you have a large christian lobby in america, and a couple of sissy overanxious teachers.

btw, secular democratic society supports freedom of speech (and religion) the most.

look at Iran, any freedom of speech there?

look at China, nope no freedom of speech.

but srly, the person who posted this topic scares the shit out of me. zealot arent really rational people most of the time....

bigdog

4 days - 5,621v

Posted 2009/02/28 - 21:49 GMT

Maybe your right in communist Russia or China, but not in America.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,142v

Posted 2009/02/28 - 22:45 GMT

w8 right about what? no freedom of speech?

you clearly misunderstuud what i said. the fact is that you have more liberties in a secular democracy, rather than in a theocracy or a regime.

and yes the christian lobby in america is slowely trying to theocratize some parts of the US.

9tails

2 days - 3,026v

Posted 2009/03/01 - 4:20 GMT

I've downloaded all of hovind's videos and have since distributed over 100 full series videos.

Uh oh, evolution! People are learning about Creation science, your days are numbered!

bigdog

4 days - 5,621v

Posted 2009/03/01 - 5:52 GMT

GOD bless you 9tails. Keep getting the word out.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,142v

Posted 2009/03/01 - 10:41 GMT

"I've downloaded all of hovind's videos and have since distributed over 100 full series videos.

Uh oh, evolution! People are learning about Creation science, your days are numbered!"

by people you mean sheeple, or people who are unable to think for themselves or of critical analysis of the information they hear.

anyone with and IQ over 100 and a basic secular highschool education can see the major flaws in hovind's logic, his lies and his downright arrogant threats.

so no, i am not afraid of creation science. why? simply because it isn't science on the count that is has NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS AND HAS BEEN DEBUNKED BY THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY FOR THE LAST 60 YEARS.

oh and btw, creationism was there before evolution, so your idea is the oldest AND the one that was defeated. with good reason.

9tails

2 days - 3,026v

Posted 2009/03/01 - 15:42 GMT

Rubbish and poppycock! I don't believe it.

rationalist (ben)

3 days - 3,596v

Posted 2009/03/01 - 18:30 GMT

Rubbish and poppycock! I don't believe it.

That is the extent of the arguments against science and for Creationism.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,142v

Posted 2009/03/01 - 18:45 GMT

Rubbish and poppycock! I don't believe it.

"That is the extent of the arguments against science and for Creationism."

try convincing them of that...... it's like telling a tabacco lobby that smoking is bad for you. they know it but they'll deny it till the end.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,645v

Posted 2009/03/01 - 19:18 GMT

Rubbish and poppycock! I don't believe it.

...and? That assertion doesn't even meet the standards of the "argument from personal-incredulity" fallacy.

Anthony

2 hours - 62v

Posted 2010/01/06 - 0:16 GMT

This is probably the best thing I've ever heard, it moved me....

I must say, I'm not American I'm South African. and from this point of view, it's true. you are losing your culture, you are losing your church and you are losing your freedom. not to be insulting or anything, but America is crumbling and is starting to fall apart, it has already been predicted.... the final of the 21.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,142v

Posted 2010/01/06 - 16:04 GMT

"I must say, I'm not American I'm South African. and from this point of view, it's true. you are losing your culture, you are losing your church and you are losing your freedom. not to be insulting or anything, but America is crumbling and is starting to fall apart"

you understand that culture is constantly changin right?

lots of cultural aspects of the 1950s have already dissappeared.

hell anthony!

you'd at least rememeber the dissapearence of APARTHEID in south africa, right?!

Anthony

2 hours - 62v

Posted 2010/01/06 - 18:22 GMT

actually, I wasn't born until after apartheid. Therefor I never really felt any of it.
And yes. I do notice the changes.

But if culture changes too much too quickly, it gets lost and a new culture has to replace it.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,142v

Posted 2010/01/07 - 14:03 GMT

¨But if culture changes too much too quickly, it gets lost and a new culture has to replace it.¨

new culture to replace it?

culture doesn´t get replaced, it simply changes.

YES these changes can happen really fast, and yes old cultural aspects might dissapear ¨overnight¨.

but it´s still the culture of a country, no matter how it has formed.

the objection here is not agaisnt cultural replacement (whatever that is), it´s agaisnt the the dissapearence of certain old cultural values and practices....namely the ones a 9tails and the like, cling to.

btw....this has been bugging me.

anthony, are you a boer?

Anthony

2 hours - 62v

Posted 2010/01/07 - 22:46 GMT

yes, but we do not like the term 'boer', although it is our culture.

here, we're actually going into an identity 'crisis'.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,142v

Posted 2010/01/09 - 16:34 GMT

¨yes, but we do not like the term 'boer', although it is our culture.¨

that explains a LOT.

first of all the christianity part, and next the ¨fear¨ youe expressed at ¨cultural replacement¨.

for everyone who doesn´t know what a boer is in south afrika.

they are the white descendants of the kolonists. relatively rich people who own lots of farming land, traditionally strongly christian and there is a movement within the boers, which is vying for a own state).

i´d say the american analong would be, plantation owners, well... -the slaves.

btw, i have another question to you anthony.

can a black man become a boer?

i´ve hear that question asked on a documentary, but the interviewed where quite skittish to answer it. perhaps you can.

Anthony

2 hours - 62v

Posted 2010/01/09 - 17:08 GMT

good question, 'boer' in this context could be split us into two main descriptions.
1. Racial: white and born in south african.
2. Cultural: the cultural description you gave.

From a cultural perspective, yes anytime. But from a racial, not really.

thebiblewascompiledin325AD

5 days - 8,142v

Posted 2010/01/09 - 17:27 GMT

¨1. Racial: white and born in south african.
2. Cultural: the cultural description you gave.¨

no, the temr you seem to think is ENTHIC, not racial.

btw, even that discription is wrong, because by no means are all white africans boer.

but sure....define the term boer as being nessecarily white.

i have no issue with that. but then i´d say they certainly do not deserve a special position over blacks in exactly the same socio-economic segement.

furthermore, this definition would make the claim to a ¨boer only state¨ ludicrusly racist considerign they live in afrika.

Anthony

2 hours - 62v

Posted 2010/01/09 - 21:32 GMT

yeah, I noticed that the description wasn't that accurate.

If we are called a 'boer', it is usually defined as a white, african born, with african colonial forefathers and who's mother language is afrikaans. Although we aren't really called that any more. Furthermore in no way are any racial group superior towards any other.

And what do you mean by:
'boer only state' ?

ronnies_evil_twin

1 minute - 1v

Posted 2010/01/06 - 1:42 GMT

"I am utterly convinced that freedom, american culture and christianity are in grave danger. As stated in the video, active secular groups are moving to secularize america. I am determined to preserve our christian heritage and will gladly give my life to protect our honor. I support freedom, freedom of choice, freedom of religion, and will work to preserve it. I am also frightened as our freedoms and honor are assaulted daily. I must pledge myself to defend the church against all enemies of christ. My life for the most high."

Wow, willing to give your life huh? Well, good luck on that. You are realy going out on a limb saying that "I support freedom, freedome of choice and freedom of religion." Really controversial. Do you like air too? Do you like to laugh too?
Pledging yourself to defend the church against all enemies of christ huh? Apply as a security guard at your church. Problem solved.

ronnie(l.a.)

1 day - 2,617v

Posted 2010/01/06 - 3:05 GMT

From: Ronnie

Congratulations 9 tails. You must be a smart guy. Don't let all of these evil demonic Christian haters tell you anything different.

Molecular Biology kicks creationists ass (Ellman)

2 days - 2,415v

Posted 2010/01/06 - 17:46 GMT

Now ronnie that's a damn lie! I have nothing aginast beliveing in god, it's the bible story and the gullible anti-intelligence you show that i'm against. I have good friends who believe in god, they just think it's ridiculoues to actually beleive that the earth is 6000 years old and that adam and eve was the first humans...

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,645v

Posted 2010/01/11 - 13:43 GMT

Congratulations 9 tails. You must be a smart guy. Don't let all of these evil demonic Christian haters tell you anything different.

You're a teensy bit late - look at the date this thread was started, 9tails hasn't been back since then.

I guess we win again, eh ronnie?

ronnies_evil_twin

1 minute - 1v

Posted 2010/01/06 - 3:42 GMT

Ronnie, I hate to break this to you but 9tale gave his life for Christ. He died, as he wished, defending Christ from..... whatever.
Please pray for him. Pray that God will bring 9tail back from the dead.

Sci Borg (doctorofscience)

3 days - 4,645v

Posted 2010/01/11 - 4:28 GMT

Please pray for him. Pray that God will bring 9tail back from the dead.

Or at least back from wherever he ran away to. It was at least entertaining to see him repeatedly claim that "evolutionists" believe that the universe is trillions of years old.

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