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Homo Sapiens and Evolution
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Are Homo Sapiens desendants from Adam and Eve?
Submitted By Rswanson72 on 09/03/07
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It has been said that Adam and Eve was real smart, especially Noah. If that is true, then what is up with the Homo Sapiens? They are not smart enough to build an Ark, and it is a fact that they existed. We have fossles to prove it. Should I have reasons to believe, that they are not our ansisters? They looks almost just like us. I keep thinking of Dr. Kent saying, "Kind is from the same Kind" Aren't we the same kind as, "Homo Sapiens"? If so, where do they fit into the Biblical picture?

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
I want you to get educated and fimilair with this one.

Respectfully, The Pantheist, Who believes in a God, but not in a deity.

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Re: Homo Sapiens and Evolution
1 day - 1,984v
Posted 2009/03/07 - 1:26 GMT
I figure I'll give some anthropological descriptions of these interesting fellows. The archaic Homo Sapiens you are referring to (also known as Homo Heidelbergensis) were most likely the last transitional form until Homo Sapien sapiens (us) evolved.  They are the direct descendants of Homo Erectus, and were typically short in stature, had less pronounced brow ridges than previous ancestors, and had an advanced forebrain, they were probably quite capable of planning and reasoning, but were still not as intelligent as modern humans.  They had no writing system and it is unknown if they managed to have a complex spoken language, but based on their camps and their simple stone tools, they had a social structure and the ability to build (they invented the stone axe)  They lived 500,000 - 200,000 years ago, until modern humans took over, possibly interbreeding with them, or out-competing them in some situations.  They spread from africa to Europe, and there were even groups found in Asia.  The final push, that is, the migration of Modern Humans out of Africa, was what brought us into contact with them, and caused us to spread across the world.
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Re: Homo Sapiens and Evolution
1 day - 683v
Posted 2009/03/07 - 3:33 GMT
Well said. 10 stars to you! Now how do we get the Christians to understand this? Not that you need to, but if interested, See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
for any further infomation. =)

Respectfully, The Pantheist, Who believes in a God, but not in a deity.
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Re: Homo Sapiens and Evolution
1 day - 1,984v
Posted 2009/03/07 - 14:42 GMT
haha, thank you, for the stars!  Christians (the majority) do understand this, creationists don't. In fact, the major heads of the Creation movement cant even decide if Homo Sapiens, and Homo Erectus are "fully human" or "fully ape" The problem is, that is like saying "fully german shephard" or "Fully dog" Just like German Shephards are still dogs, Humans are still apes. (according to the binomial nomenclature system put in place by Linneaus, a pre-Darwin Christian scientist, who, after years of of study of morphology, concluded that humans are apes, a find which has been later verified and proven by DNA evidence)
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Re: Homo Sapiens and Evolution
1 day - 683v
Posted 2009/03/07 - 21:01 GMT
Intereasting. I thought all Christians are creationists, since they don't believe in Evolution. I've always thought Humans are from Humans, who descended from Homo Sapeins, and so on, and on down to a virus or something, but not from Apes. Because Apes have to descend from somthing. To me that would be like saying a Dog is from a cow, since they are two different spieces, and not the same kind. I also have a theory, that if we are from Apes, I would think that all Apes would be Human now. I could be very wrong. However, you say it has been proven by DNA. Are these test accurate findings? I'll do some reading up on binomial nomenclature system and Linneaus to see how that works. I would think that DNA has little different amoung all Humans and Animal. The say a Pig DNA is very close to Human's DNA. They are trying to see, if they would make good organ donors.
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Re: Homo Sapiens and Evolution
1 day - 1,984v
Posted 2009/03/08 - 20:06 GMT
I may have been sumarising a bit, humans are related to pigs, since we are both mammals, and share a common ancestor (albeit much farther back then modern apes today)  Now, the reason that all apes today aren't human is the same reason not all cats are lions. The evolutionary tree is constantly splitting and diverging, and new branches often change very much from the starting point.  For instance, humans, chimps, bonobos, orangutans, and gorillas all share a common ancestor, but after those species diverged from the single one, they each went in their own direction, and were shaped by mutations in conjunction with their environment. The human environment favored bipedality and large brain size, while others did not. Evolution has no goals or endpoints, it is a continuing, endless process that molds species to better suit their environment by naturally selecting for beneficial alleles that arise through random mutation.
 
Most christians accept evolution, most catholics do, and many other moderate churches as well.
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Re: Homo Sapiens and Evolution
1 day - 683v
Posted 2009/03/19 - 4:46 GMT
Really! What churches do believe in Evolution? Wouldn't that be going against there religeon and making them a Pantheist?
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Re: Homo Sapiens and Evolution
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Posted 2009/03/19 - 12:04 GMT
"Really! What churches do believe in Evolution? Wouldn't that be going against there religeon and making them a Pantheist?"

Rswanson, i hope that was joke..
or you would be really ignorent.
i'll give you an example: catholics, anglican, protestant, ect pretty much: every religion that doesn't interpret their holy books and stories as literal. we have already pointed out to you, that acceptence of the theory of evolution (or science for that matter) and believing in any deity AREN'T mutually exclusive.
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Re: Homo Sapiens and Evolution
1 day - 1,411v
Posted 2009/03/16 - 4:52 GMT
Yea Joe why dont we just force the design researchers to fall under all the assumptions of the natural selection guys? Wouldnt that be scientific? Give your head a shake.
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Re: Homo Sapiens and Evolution
1 day - 1,984v
Posted 2009/03/16 - 20:22 GMT
I'm not really sure what your saying, since your sentence structure is a little confusing, but what I'm talking about isn't an assumption, its observed natural phenomena. If i saw God design a creature and then poof it into existence, fully formed, and adult, then I would be forced to accept it. However, that has never been observed, and there is no evidence to show that creationism even happened.


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