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What is the Creationist reason for this
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Submitted By ben on 09/03/04
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/photogalleries/spiky-beetle-genitals/index.html

Why does a loving god want to inflict torture on beetles?

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Re: What is the Creationist reason for this
2 days - 3,026v
Posted 2009/03/04 - 1:46 GMT
Again with the "why does god" bit. Its been explained before, we are not living on a perfect, comfortable, happy or even good world. The lord created it to be good and comfortable, Until sin, evil and death entered the world.
 
Would you take a crashed minivan and take it up to the dealership demanding a refund? No, at least you wouldn't get one. The world was good, sin ruined it. The world was comfortable and happy, death ruined it.
 
The fact is pain, suffering and death rule this world. You may either choose to 'blame' the creator, or understand what death is and put the 'blame' where it belongs.
 
The most interesting thing is most believers and creationists understand the principles of this world and where sin and death came from. Whereas most athiests will 'raise the brow' and ask, "What has god done?" when their definitive provision is 'nothing' or 'nature' or 'mother nature'.
 
If evolution was real, would it be accurate to say that it is cruel and inhumane?
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Re: What is the Creationist reason for this
12 hours - 1,085v
Posted 2009/03/04 - 1:58 GMT
But animals can't sin.
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Re: What is the Creationist reason for this
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Posted 2009/03/04 - 2:58 GMT
Evolution is red in tooth and claw. We know that it can be very cruel. Why is it that some species rape to procreate? Because that is what was the most advantageous.
 
If God created everything then why would such a god create a beetle that inflicts such pain on its partner?
 
It goes back to that bit that life is not created well if it were designed from the beginning.
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Re: What is the Creationist reason for this
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2009/03/04 - 4:30 GMT
So, in conclusion:
 
There is an omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent God who loves all of us. But he just happens to act *exactly* as if He had never existed at all.
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Re: What is the Creationist reason for this
3 days - 3,596v
Posted 2009/03/04 - 4:48 GMT
Well God did say, "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IaudsdrPjY
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Re: What is the Creationist reason for this
3 days - 4,645v
Posted 2009/03/04 - 20:14 GMT
Gotta love Futurama.
 
"Good news, everyone! Yes, the Bible - it's the real good news."
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Re: What is the Creationist reason for this
2 days - 3,026v
Posted 2009/03/04 - 3:05 GMT
All of creation suffers for the sin of man.
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Re: What is the Creationist reason for this
12 hours - 1,085v
Posted 2009/03/04 - 3:20 GMT
How exactly does that work?
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Re: What is the Creationist reason for this
1 day - 1,984v
Posted 2009/03/05 - 14:24 GMT
Well that sounds fair!
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Re: What is the Creationist reason for this
1 day - 1,984v
Posted 2009/03/05 - 14:38 GMT
Because obviously eating from a magic tree is a good reason to punish everything to ever exist from that point on.
I also have a question, I've read the bible, (KJV) and it says nothing about "no death before the fall" in fact, since there was a tree of infinite life that Adam didn't eat from, i have to assume that he and eve were always mortal. And also, since they had to eat, i also assume that they need food energy to power their cells, one of the defintions of life, and thus, mortality. Just curious what the apologetic response is.
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Re: What is the Creationist reason for this
1 day - 1,411v
Posted 2009/03/15 - 2:56 GMT
I love you guys when tou find a flaw God did it. When a miracle takes place its natural selection. Yea thats scientific.
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Re: What is the Creationist reason for this
1 day - 1,984v
Posted 2009/03/16 - 20:27 GMT
Actually we assume that God did neither, since natural laws took hold after God (presumably) set the forces of nature in motion. Its just a rhetorical question, if God is all powerful and all good, why would he create a system which would be so fundamentaly flawed, knowing ti would be that way from the start?


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