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Time for some maturity
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Or else there's going to be war. And we don't want war.
Submitted By Sprawl on 13/09/16
Mars Explorer, Sprawl, Community 
This Document originally posted in the "Mars Explorer" Group

This is a message for all Martians and Terrians alike.
 
Look, I've missed a little of what's gone on recently. But only a little. I've been aware of this hacker's presence, and looking into the Mars Apocalypse post, it appears to be Ace. Which is bloody disappointing really, if that's the truth of the matter.
 
What it seems like is a grudge match between Eric & Ace and Kruncher and whoever is backing him. Essentially the Mars Community vs the Terrium Community. And I think that's where the problem lies. The supposed behaviour of Eric and Ace in declaring themselves "removed" from Mars, only to return clandestinely for the sole purpose of hampering Mars gamers' experience and thereby somehow attracting players to Terrium, is utterly selfish and vindictive. Whether Kruncher is merely doing his job or whether he is some out-of-hand cruel dictator of marsxplr.com is totally irrelevant; if you want to fight him, fight him to his face, with reasoned posts, and not in this underhand way which ends up affecting the whole community. Put your talents and time to use working on a great game for all of us instead of ruining an already fine game. 
 
Both sides should resolve matters reasonably, but since that seems completely out of the question, can I ask, honestly, what Kruncher has done, in the hope that someone reasonable will answer reasonably? To me, he seems to simply support the Mars community, and is uncomfortable with the change Eric and Ace plan to bring about. After all, it is true that Eric hacked Mars, and Ace has appeared keen to follow in those deceitful tracks - tracks which, if I may remind you, Eric claimed he regretted ever making, washing his hands of the whole affair. How ironic. Nevertheless, it is entirely commendable that Eric and Ace are so ready to ensure our gaming experience improves. Personally, I can't wait to see what Terrium offers. What I don't condone is the destruction of Mars Explorer in the process. I have respect for Eric, Ace, Kruncher and most of the others involved (apart from the worst of the crap-digging morons that fester on these forums). Having a war is just not worth it.
 
So please, for the sake of the community, leave Mars alone and make your own game. When you want to attack Kruncher, Eric, Ace or anyone else, please think of us, and use e-mail or some other method of contact. This is drama we have absolutely no need of. If Kruncher really is the ultimate sinner then don't sink to the level you so clearly despise. It's thoroughly demeaning, and shows you in a very poor light. Thank you. 

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Re: Time for some maturity
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/09/16 - 22:36 GMT
Go re-read the Apocalypse post. If it's kruncher's business to post personal information concerning kiaree and possibly other people, then you have one fine idea of a moderator. Personally I'd recommend she reports it immediately to Aubrey via the email we should all know, but then if I show support for her she'll get attacked too, right?

"With reasoned posts" is the bit you missed. When I came back to try to end things on a good note. Abister called me a bastard then said it was a compliment and kruncher repeatedly hid the post, ending with a "postpwn", a repost, another hide, then a final recycling of the post as an attempted apology for making things worse. Spiffy then attacked it with a simple JavaScript. Go find it if you feel inclined, Sprawl. I'm not going to do your research for you.

I'm not working on Terrium right now, that game has nothing to do with all this. Eric has nothing to do with this either, so lay off him. Responsibility for hacking is mine alone. And I'm not exactly shocked at how kruncher has reacted when he's no longer in control. It's not as though everyone planet-wide has gone the way he has, he's just the one making all the noise.
 
Oh, and, at what point did I agree to have my personal data shared with kruncher? None. In fact I never agreed to let this site collect my data. Or leave cookies. It does both.

Sprawl, before you accuse me, at least work out what's going on, please? I think it's fairly obvious that kruncher has lost it. Maybe he's the one who needs to "talk to a councillor. Seriously."

- Ace.
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FOR DA LOVE OF ALL THINGZ HOLY, PLZ DON'T TYPE WALLS OF TEXT! K? LOL
6 days - 21,100v
Posted 2013/09/16 - 23:18 GMT
before dis place gits out of hand, lets try to limit ourselves from typing a whole bunch of paragraphs that only complicate the matter.
 
i would say a maximum limit of 15 sentences per post!!  lets try to be Clear, Complete, and Coherent! :D
 
i believe that we can settle this dispute if everyone keeps an open mind, and a well maintained attitude.  yay!
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Re: Time for some maturity
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/16 - 23:54 GMT
I maintain that Eric is innocent. Krunch is doing his job, yet he has done inappropriate things, and been a little paranoid (from a moderator on another forum, it comes with the trade).

There are three sides to this, instead of your supposed two. Kruncher vs Ace vs Ender. I maintain I am a separate side, and I disagree with the things Kruncher has done lately, as evidenced by my post on the Mars Apocalypse post.

What Kruncher has done is he has dealt with the attacks on Marsxplr, he has flamed the Terrium staff, and continuously antagonized Ace, who also antagonized Krunch. I don't know who started their "little" thing but from where I stand, both are at fault.

Kruncher has gone too far, IMO, in his decision to start hiding Terrrium posts whenever Ace does something.
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Re: Time for some maturity
1 day - 5,491v
Posted 2013/09/17 - 7:01 GMT
See the next post; this one was a duplicate.
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Re: Time for some maturity
1 day - 5,491v
Posted 2013/09/17 - 7:02 GMT
Ace, I am not attacking you. I am trying to discover the truth and guide the community somehow towards a peaceful conclusion. It doesn't have to be like this. Regardless of what Kruncher's done, does it really call for your hacking? Please, stop it. How pointless and trivial. I wasn't even sure you were hacking, so please don't say it was an accusation. I was repeating the claims of others. I just asked you not to do things. Why do them? Are you really that bored? You know I respect you Ace, but that respect is rapidly deteriorating because you're not behaving in the way that garnered the respect from me in the first place. 
 
If you're gonna play Mars, play Mars. Let Kruncher host games and play in them. Because stopping that is too far. He's allowed to play this game - it's not up to you to sanction who can and cannot play Mars Explorer; Terrium is your field whether you are working on it or not. Aubrey is the only one who can decide who plays and who does not play Mars Explorer. And, as I'm sure you may have realised, you are not Aubrey.
 
So for the love of God, Ace, kiss and make up. Or at least agree not to talk.
 
Also, FYI:
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Re: Time for some maturity
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/09/17 - 7:31 GMT
Ah, yes. "Will not be shared with any third party." There's the lie.

Um, no. I'm not even going to bother to explain that all I actually did was gain host permissions in servers. No-one has been stopped from playing. I'm sorry, your information is so incorrect it's offensive. That's not the Sprawl I know.

"Regardless of what kruncher did." Think about arguments. There are two sides to EVERY argument. Blindy trusting someone to have not at least in part caused the problem is offensive, Sprawl, to the other party. In this case, yes I was wrong to lose control of my emotions when this started (otherwise the hack tool would likely never have been used) but you have to remember that there was a reason why I lost control. I don't just get mad for nothing, contrary to rumours.

So, do you still respect kruncher for likening a 15-year old who can change your score, to Chernobyl, or for publicly announcing highly personal details of another player (even if it's in the header of ever PM notification, it still doesn't belong on the internet)? But then that's just my opinion.
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Re: Time for some maturity
1 day - 5,491v
Posted 2013/09/17 - 7:02 GMT
Ace, I am not attacking you. I am trying to discover the truth and guide the community somehow towards a peaceful conclusion. It doesn't have to be like this. Regardless of what Kruncher's done, does it really call for your hacking? Please, stop it. How pointless and trivial. I wasn't even sure you were hacking, so please don't say it was an accusation. I was repeating the claims of others. I just asked you not to do things. Why do them? Are you really that bored? You know I respect you Ace, but that respect is rapidly deteriorating because you're not behaving in the way that garnered the respect from me in the first place. 
 
If you're gonna play Mars, play Mars. Let Kruncher host games and play in them. Because stopping that is too far. He's allowed to play this game - it's not up to you to sanction who can and cannot play Mars Explorer; Terrium is your field whether you are working on it or not. Aubrey is the only one who can decide who plays and who does not play Mars Explorer. And, as I'm sure you may have realised, you are not Aubrey.
 
So for the love of God, Ace, kiss and make up. Or at least agree not to talk.
 
Also, FYI:
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Re: Time for some maturity
7 minutes - 18v
Posted 2013/09/17 - 8:16 GMT
wow sprawl leave ace alone
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Re: Time for some maturity
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/17 - 15:03 GMT
Lets just dig a DEEPER SHIT HOLE AND ATTACK EACH OTHER! Omg u all are acting like CHILDEREN! Just stop all this, its the same thing over and over...its just in different wording. I'll admit that i had my go a few times and had a FEW of my opinions shared, but honestly wats happening on the forum is effecting the game. People are "leaving" (more like in hiding) and everyone isnt getting along. I have SEVERAL instances that i could bring up fom the past but i dont wish for them to come bak to life. Alls i ask is that we either go our seperate ways or tone it down cuz this is NOT helping us, Terrium, or mars AT ALL.
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Re: Time for some maturity
1 day - 5,491v
Posted 2013/09/17 - 19:10 GMT
Hope I haven't upset you Ace, I figured I may have. Don't get me wrong, this is not an attack. I realise I don't know all the fact; I was hoping to find out some more, to be honest. If you could just explain to me exactly what has gone on, maybe in a PM? Then that would be great. I'd love to be able to make a judgement for myself.
 
No hard feelings.
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Re: Time for some maturity
3 hours - 275v
Posted 2013/09/17 - 20:28 GMT
  Your clearly don't see what's happening, but you should figure it out on your own. Hopefully it will eventually become 3 dimensional for you. Ace doesn't deserve this... your post is directed towards the wrong person.
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Re: Time for some maturity
1 day - 5,491v
Posted 2013/09/17 - 21:23 GMT
Oh, excuse me for attempting to figure this out without the usual stupidity. I don't have an ungodly amount of spare time to spend on this forum, unlike you it would seem.
 
My "attack" is directed at the wrong person, eh? And so towards whom should it be directed? Stop beating around the bush and be straight with me. This isn't a TV Drama, we don't need this melodrama.
 
Someone has done something bad, and if it is so obvious and so clear-cut it would take you less than a couple minutes to explain. And you clearly have the time to do so.
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Re: Time for some maturity
1 day - 5,491v
Posted 2013/09/17 - 21:25 GMT
And moreover, @Hera, your account was created less than two days ago. So either you have nothing to add, or you're another longer term user under a fake name. What's the point? Just use your normal account or at LEAST your original name. How exhausting.
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Re: Time for some maturity
3 hours - 275v
Posted 2013/09/17 - 21:47 GMT
I would be glad to explain for you, Sprawl. I am Moonwalker. I had mentioned on another post that my one account was hacked, and my Moonwalker account is acting weird. I have fixed the problem for it, and I am going back to my Moonwalker account. I will not use this account unless something happens to my account.

Now, as to what I was saying, you are defending the person who you should be pointing your finger at. Sorry if that is hard for you to understand. Anyway, you defend them, so you of course have an excuse for not understanding.

If you still don't understand, then again, you will just have to see for yourself. I'm not here to fight.

I do not have a lot of free time. I have to laugh because do you even know what time it is here? It is 5:45 PM, Eastern time. I left school at 3:30 PM. I believe I'm much busier than you.
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Re: Time for some maturity
1 day - 5,491v
Posted 2013/09/18 - 6:36 GMT
Just one thing: you left school at 3:30 PM? Seriously? You think that constitutes busy?

Anyway that's not really relevant. I understand perfectly: that Kruncher has done bad things. I know it's Kruncher you want me to turn around and blame. I'm not defending him, but I'm not attacking him either. What I am saying is that both sides need to compromise or this will NEVER get resolved. I don't see Kruncher or Ace backing down (whether it would be right for one of them to do so or not). And if they can't do that, then this is going to be a perpetual struggle.

I like the Mars Community. Why does it have to be like this? Then again, I guess I already know the answer to that question.
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Re: Time for some maturity
7 minutes - 18v
Posted 2013/09/18 - 6:48 GMT
omg just stop attacking people sprawl and everyone will be happy
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Re: Time for some maturity
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/09/18 - 8:48 GMT
Sprawl, calm down a few notches, please. Moon is only trying to help.

The problem with the way you stated the need to make up was that you phrased it to suggest that I, and only I, need to apologise and back down. And while I understand your point about peace being needed, we don't need to be told how to achieve it, or have a fairly lopsided opinion presented to us. However if you want to know the facts I'll be happy to PM you. (you could have just said "I don't understand, could someone explain?" rather than write such a lengthy post ;) )

Disclaimer: All of this is intended to be friendly. If I worded something in a way that could be interpreted as venomous, it was unintentional. I want peace too, y'know. :)
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Re: Time for some maturity
1 day - 5,491v
Posted 2013/09/18 - 21:03 GMT
Fine. All I ask for, then, is a PM which explains truthfully and without elaboration exactly what has happened. Consider me totally unbiased. I'm on my own side for the time being.
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Re: Time for some maturity
1 day - 4,967v
Posted 2013/09/18 - 0:58 GMT
What idiot set a limit on how many sentances I can post?
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Re: Time for some maturity
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/18 - 12:09 GMT
*giggles* the one up there^

Hello:)
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Re: Time for some maturity
2 days - 11,577v
Posted 2013/09/18 - 13:56 GMT
Aubrey a few years ago.
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Re: Time for some maturity
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/18 - 14:46 GMT
Seriously?
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Re: Time for some maturity
2 days - 11,577v
Posted 2013/09/18 - 23:47 GMT
Yep. It's been here for quite awhile.
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Re: Time for some maturity
2 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/21 - 8:55 GMT
meh, if you ask me it's just all crap, that people are getting to involved 
/emointianl ect about... i mean ive been off here due to work/sailing/watching the america's cup 
 
i come and have a look today to see how things are... and it's just all the same shit that was going on before, and has been for a while.. i mean are you guys really that stupid you cant even get along on a game, that was made to be fun and non violent? 
 
just grow up all of you... it's just boring watching all this silly pointing fingers/blaming other people/atacking other people/flaming on each other/and just being downright stupid about it all!
 
 
i mean so what there is a hacker,who gives a fuck.... you give the hacker attention they will carry on as they want attention and you are giving it to them. just do nothing and they will go away as they will no longer be the centre of attention, and move on to some where else where they are
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Re: Time for some maturity
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/09/21 - 18:09 GMT
"Grow up all of you" says the oldest active player here afaik... Just to point out that. You can't expect us all to act as mature as 20-year-olds are *supposed* to be.

Seb, please don't be so hypocritical. It was you who said he would try to get me banned for all this, am I right? Not intending to cause an argument but I found that quite amusing. Rather than tell people how to act you could just ask them? And also, telling people they're stupid, however right you are, is not the way to get people to listen to advice.

Just my two pence.
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Re: Time for some maturity
3 hours - 275v
Posted 2013/09/21 - 16:39 GMT
People haven't even commented on this for a few days... nobody has been fighting.
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Re: Time for some maturity
1 day - 4,967v
Posted 2013/09/22 - 16:08 GMT
It doesn't take a genius to know it's ACE and eric hacking.
 
 
Only a 12 year old with a phone. 
 
He did it before, he's doing it again. But now he has an apprentice! 
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Re: Time for some maturity
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/09/22 - 19:52 GMT
Apprentice? Lol no.
 
Three things about Eric:
  • He sometimes watches me program Terrium in order to learn. By extrapolation you should be able to discern that he's the lesser programmer (no gloating, I'm stating this as a fact to get this crap off his back)
  • He did not program the original hack engine. "It doesn't take a genius" to work that one out.
  • He has nothing to do with this hacking, it was me and only me.
If you want to continue to burn hackers at the stake, feel free. I don't really care, and I made that decision before I started hacking. But I WANT CREDIT FOR WHAT I DID. So here's a list of what I did for those too badly informed to work it out for themselves:
  • I wrote a hack engine from the source code before/during the development of Terrium, as one of my many side projects. The two projects have very little to do with each other, although the hacking has been beneficial to my development skills. That was all before I went public though.
  • I hacked Mars, for a LONG time. Basically since I saw the source code was released. Played around, pushed the limits. There would be no Terrium if I hadn't done that.
  • I fell out badly with kruncher and made a point of publicly announcing my "evil hack-craft" as a rebellion against his so-called "authority." (notice how I avoid blaming either of us).
  • I spread the incorrect "hacker's IP," or at least started the spread. I didn't even know whose it was... as far as I knew it was just some noob's, sadly it turned out to be Big_Dog's. He gets my heartfelt apologies for directing the Wrath of Kruncher towards him.
  • I spent around two weeks hacking anonymously in people's games without their permission, after a week or so in games where I did have permission or was hosting. I continue to use the engine as I please in situations where I feel it will not disturb gameplay.
  • I used all the knowledge gained to reinforce or plan to reinforce Terrium to make it free from any simple, Unity-based hacking, although it would be far too complex to protect the new game from advanced hack methods. Photon itself is secured with two passcodes, plus a few other systems to make hacking harder. Mars' system is 100% open, the only thing you need is an IP which is freely available in the Lobby page of the game.
And things I did NOT do:
  • I did not spam the website with inappropriate ascii "art" or youtube videos.
  • I did not at any point use any false-named or misleading accounts other than the now-ex-public account named "password"
  • I did not hack the website. Ever. At all.
  • I did not change anything on any of the computers that were "hacked." In fact I can't even access your file system via Mars.
Now, I wish to make a point. I haven't been credited for much that I've done so far. I was largely responsible for the Mars 2.5 release, and I've done easily 90% of the game code since then but Eric is still the main name credited with it. Now I don't care if you like me or hate me for hacking the game, and I actually don't particularly care what happens after we've released Terrium and left this place, but at LEAST give me credit for this. I don't think I've harmed anything, and you can dig around trying to find something that I broke if you want, that's fine by me. But IT WAS ME. Please recognise me for that. So far it's been my only "achievement," and like me for it or hate me for it, I'm fairly proud of it.
Well that's about it. The only thing I hope for the future is that you refer to the hack tool I created as the following. (I had this as a logo/watermark on all areas of the hack tool).

 
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Re: Time for some maturity
20 hours - 3,545v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 1:40 GMT
I KNEW IT.

I TOTALLY DID NOT KNOW IT.

Goddammit ace you couldn't have told me? Just kidding, regardless that was pretty good.

Now if you could give me a hand and hack into some government database or some crap and make me money and have FBI Agents fly in my window but I'm not there cause I'm vacationing with all my money YOU HELPED ME STEAL COUGH COUGH
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Re: Time for some maturity
1 day - 5,491v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 17:48 GMT
"But I WANT CREDIT FOR WHAT I DID."
Do you mean attention?

"as far as I knew it was just some noob's"
So if it was just someone new joining Mars Explorer, it was okay to have him suffer and be turned away from the game...right?

"I hacked Mars, for a LONG time. Basically since I saw the source code was released. Played around, pushed the limits. There would be no Terrium if I hadn't done that."
Well that brings everything Eric has done into disrepute - oh but YOU have "done easily 90% of the game code". You're calling Terrium a game that had trample over another one to live - that's like bleeding someone to death so you can live. What is wrong with you? This isn't even about some grudge or war against Kruncher - this is, by your own admission, just you, Ace, using the abuse of your talents against Mars Explorer as a means to better another game - a game which is itself based on Mars.

If the only way you can get better at programming is by hacking, you really have problems. There are people out there who are far better at programming than you and who don't need to hack (and slash, to use an apt metaphor) to be good at it. And they've taught themselves.

Every time you say "we", you're associating Eric with this, which tarnishes him in our eyes. We know he did some hacking before, but we've forgiven him. Do you know why? Because he didn't come back and start claiming he was so virtuous. I mean, really Ace, if you're proud of hacking a community which, as you say, has a "system [which] is 100% open," and "the only thing you need is an IP which is freely available in the Lobby page of the game", you really haven't achieved much, have you? Your arrogance is suffocating.


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Who's fighting now? Who's dragging this corpse of a fight on now?
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 18:25 GMT
Well then, Sprawl. Being too naïve to see this wasn't actually anything to cry about is your fault not mine. I haven't lied at any time. And I actually don't care if you want to demonize me.

I won't bother to point out the massive, gaping holes in your comment since you're too blind to read it. I'll just give you one example: you seem to think that "hacking mars" is synonymous with "hacking other people's servers." It's not. My long-term exploits were in my own, usually-hidden and always passworded servers.

Funny, I considered you a rational person. But if this comes down to an insult war maintained by someone who posted the words "we don't want war" then I'm happy to leave this game to rot. Terrium is a separate game, this has nothing ( n o t h i n g ) to do with it.

Hurl my words back at me, there's no law against it (same as there's no law against hacking). Or since you're oh so superior that you retain the right to tell me just how thick I am, show me your fantastic genius!
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Re: Time for some maturity
1 day - 5,491v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 17:49 GMT
:( Ah well...
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Re: Time for some maturity
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 18:24 GMT
*sighs*
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Re: Time for some maturity
2 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 8:53 GMT
i still stand by what i said about people being stupid(looks at ace)
 
i know you hacked to work on your skills and what not... but there is a right and wrong way to do things, and i belivie you went down the wong path in order to achivie what you wanted to do
 
i prefer to go by trail and error myself, as in make, see what it does, if it's not what you wanted try a different way again and again and again till you get what you want, you may fail a million times over, but each failed attemept a leson would have been learnt towards making your goal possaible
 
and fyi next time you plan to hack to learn, why dont to tell the comunity first that you are planing to hack to learn, and next time dont drop an innicent person in to the firing line for what you are doing, man up and take responseiblitiy for your own actions 
 
oh and age dosen't mean maturity
 
and as to your question: It was you who said he would try to get me banned for all this, am I right? nope sorry you be well and truly wrong about that one
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Re: Time for some maturity
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 14:35 GMT
Why didn't I tell you? Because nobody would listen. They'd just hide the post or flame as many people did/are doing. It was kept secret to avoid upsetting everyone, unfortunately I lost control after "you-know-who" went what was in my opinion one step too far. I'll apologise yet again for lacking the maturity to control my emotions. Not that anyone listens to that either.

I suggest you look at "Mars Apocalypse" and check your definition of "innocent" before making that claim.

And I distinctly remember you telling me that you were "ready to send an email to Aubrey," among other things. Please forgive me if I'm thinking of another moderator, although I can't think who that would be.

The trial and error method works fine, however, disassembling and rebuilding a device is the quickest way to learn how it works, in my albeit limited experience.
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Re: Time for some maturity
2 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/24 - 6:22 GMT
umm ace as to your statment I suggest you look at "Mars Apocalypse" and check your definition of "innocent" before making that claim.... umm maybe you need to look, as i DIDN'T post a comment on that post.... please check your eye's before saying something like that next time
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Re: Time for some maturity
5 days - 10,809v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 15:43 GMT


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