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New Forum for a New Beginning
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Submitted By TheCyberMan on 12/12/21
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This Discussion originally posted in the "Mars Explorer" Group

Greetings Martians!
 
 
As we approach the release of Mars 3.0, there are a few things we must address. One of these entails the future of our forum. Here are my concerns as to why I propse we switch forums:
 
1. There is no active admin. The new forum will have two admins: Flynn and me.
 
2. The moderators can only hide things on Plexpedia. They are unable to mute or ban spammers and rule-breakers. The new forum would offer all those abilities and more.
 
3. Security threats: Plexpedia's security is way out of date. For example, passwords are stored in text files instead of being encrypted. Gateways for hacking, such as Javascript embedding, is also disabled. The new forum has top-notch security.
 
4. Switching account systems, so we have control over them for Mars 3.0. This means we could implement new account features/statistics in the future.
 
5. Plexpedia is old and outdated. The new forum is and will be updated to all of our personal desires.
 
Here is a preview picture of the forum (Flynn and I will be working on the design some more): 

 
 
Please tell me what you think. If we have a majority vote, we will switch.
 
 
Sincerely,
 
 
Mod Eric
 
 
 
Vote Tally:
 
Yes: TheCyberMan, ibcf, lavalamp, Stryker, Sv3n, Timber, cheezburger, Lamp, officialspeeddemon, ACC_Mad,  Ender, CharlesHadouken, Bob_, Quantum, PanzerAce, kruncher, whippet, Apophis, neon, cxpw426, thedude, _ACE_, ffroggy, etah, Gub, sebfromnz, acorn2oak2, spongejax, fluoride, WolfLink, Ratchet, Ssemodnar, Benoic, Moonwalker, Legendriver_Fios, Geek377, EmperorEctoshock, Abister, cynicalNarcissus, WolfLink
 
No: pb&j, Tigerstorm, PR

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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
6 days - 15,269v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 5:25 GMT
I vote yay! This place is a dump.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
2 days - 7,530v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 5:47 GMT
We definately need a need a new forum because of the above reasons, and many more. 
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 31,378v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 5:48 GMT
Yay! I'm in!
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
2 days - 11,431v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 5:49 GMT
Yes! I would like to see it when I get back from my break from mars.

Good luck!
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 3,759v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 6:22 GMT
yes! yes! yes!
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 31,378v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 6:33 GMT
Just a nice suggestion, but keep the mods as they are and you all power it. No admins, as in you guys mods get on like a vote to ban someone from certain posts or short term ban from everything. If not stopping perma-ban. And removing comments as normal. 
 
I actually think that would be cool :D and no one is too powerful and yet enough power to keep control.
 
Thanks for the new forum and keep up the good work :D
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
6 days - 21,100v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 6:48 GMT
ok ok i like this idea but let me just tell you one thing that has made mars one of my favorit forums.
 
the black background with the grey words is really really REALLY smart and awesome.  It doesn't strane your eyes at all.  often times forums are filled with white bacgrounds and small black words  and it hurts my eyes a lot.  
 
So if the letters are still grey with black background (or at least not black letters with white background), im all for a new forum.  :D
 
 
but let me ask two quetsions,  what iz gonna happen to current forum and all the posts?  and are you guys using phpBB?   because that is awesome if you are  :D
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 7:12 GMT
 
So cyber are you gonna put this on a new domain name and pay for it or run it off a sub-domain of your website?

 
I think it would be nice to switch. I can delete my posts. It will also have more features :)
Just please use a convienient image uploader like on Mars (unlike most other forums :P)
 
Although the mods will have more power :-/
 
Also you cannot embed stuff like unity and soundcloud and youtube :(
 
I vote yes

Oh and cyber, I recommend using Google Screenshot or Awesome Screenshot extension to take a picture of the whole website. Or you can use this site:
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 8:02 GMT
Thank for your input Lamp! I did not release the forum link for a reason, though, so would you please remove that from your comment?
 
I would gladly take the liberty to purchase a new domain once we come up with a title for the game of Mars 3.0.
 
"I am TheCyberMan" is only one easter egg . . . Flynn has his own too!
 
We can program features that allow you to embed–there are also plenty of mods for SMF forums.
 
Thanks for referring me to Google Screenshot :)
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 8:04 GMT
We are using SMF.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
8 hours - 855v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 13:47 GMT
It looks similiar to CTs forum...
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
8 hours - 855v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 14:18 GMT
If it's because it is a template from somewhere else then it's okay, but if it is copying CT then it shouldn't be the design of the new forum.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 4,967v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 16:19 GMT
Obviously I am for it.
 
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 19:15 GMT
Yes.
 
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
23 hours - 2,956v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 20:09 GMT
I reluctantly "Yes" this.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 20:24 GMT
It is indeed a template. By the way, I actually referred CT to the forum template that we're both using. :P
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
3 days - 8,344v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 20:39 GMT
I agree to this as well
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
14 hours - 1,473v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 20:43 GMT
I vote yes!
And, yes, please work on those graphics, though, lol
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
8 hours - 855v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 21:01 GMT
Then I'm all for it!
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 21:21 GMT
Yes, especially the pages like "Play", "Tributes", etc that are in the menu bar. Please have it look like the rest of the forum instead of a seperate webpage.
You also need some "windows" or boxes as part of the background to help you see text better.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
8 hours - 855v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 21:36 GMT
actually I like the seperate windows floating about it gives it a more 'spacey' feel, you know what I mean?
 
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
8 hours - 855v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 21:37 GMT
Maybe the other boxes can be done like that too.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
6 days - 15,269v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 22:15 GMT
Speeddemon, your comments are too long. You should break them into several smaller comments.
 
edit: lol sorry
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 22:21 GMT
+1 re: new forum.

We must escape the pitfalls of plexpedia. No "Stupidest Post Ever" in a "Free Hovind" category, sheesh.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/21 - 22:33 GMT
CONTRIBUTE IN YOUR COMMENT OR BE SILENT, PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/22 - 1:07 GMT
Having seen it in webpage format, I can say: 
 
YESYESYEYSY PWEEEESE lol
 
*Mark me for yes.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 4,967v
Posted 2012/12/22 - 1:22 GMT
*like*
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
2 days - 4,338v
Posted 2012/12/22 - 4:10 GMT
I'm go6ing to have to vote "yes" on this one, but we should also make it to where we can come back to marsxplr.com if Aubrey decides to return, or if something ends up going wrong over there.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/22 - 4:24 GMT
If Aubrey decides to return, that won't make a difference :( Mars 3.0 is a branch of Mars Explorer–Aubrey's branch will be Syn3h. They're on different paths.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/22 - 5:40 GMT
This forum will be for Mars 2. New for Mars 3.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2012/12/22 - 5:54 GMT
It's all a conspiracy to end my reign! Down with it! Down with it all!
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 31,378v
Posted 2012/12/22 - 7:27 GMT
Is that a no, no?
 
I love how big the yes list is and how small the no list is..it's like IBCF is the lone warrior against an army with his cream filled soda :D
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
2 days - 6,069v
Posted 2012/12/22 - 8:35 GMT
TheCyberMan,
 
I vote yes on this decision, however, to give full support, I need to see some proof that this forum to stimulate community activity as effectively as this one. After all, the new Carbon Combat forum is basically the reason that no one is on anymore... :(
 
Apophis
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/22 - 9:59 GMT
Apophis,
 

I have many plans for Mars's growth and communal development. As I previously mentioned, I had actually helped CarbonTech start up a new forum. Unfortunately, soon after we switched forums, CarbonTech was burdened with real life duties and could not attend to the game, not to mention the forum.
 
Once we switch our forums, it will be advertised, be maintained/updated, and thrive as a community-friendly environment. With our efforts, it will offer all Plexpedia has and more. For example, an account system linked to the game--think of all we can do with just that! CarbonTech never had the time to get such features :( Also, we will advertise the new forum thoroughly before switching–CarbonTech had to shut down his entire Plexpedia site in order to switch, but for us that's unnecessary. We can use a redirect link/page. :) I have plenty of ideas for our future!
 
 
TheCyberMan
 
 
P.S. Remind me to make a post laying out my plan for Mars' future once my poll closes.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
6 days - 15,269v
Posted 2012/12/22 - 20:42 GMT
You mean Spiffy? I was the first one to vote "yes."
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 4,967v
Posted 2012/12/23 - 2:05 GMT
I have a question: believe it or not, there will be a time when you and flyclub cannot administrate mars; and there will be a time when many moderators can not moderate mars. You need to remember to pass the power when you or they feel you cant do it anymore.
 
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/23 - 3:01 GMT
Mad,
 
With all due respect, Aubrey was not obligated to pass his game down to someone else. It was entirely his, and therefore not his resonsibility to simply give away his efforts for free. I consider it very generous that he was willing to make Mars open source for us to continue developing.
 
Secondly, Flynn and I definitely have plans to pass down the power if need be. In fact, part of the reason Flynn's making Mars open source is so he can guarantee Mars's continuation if anything happens to him. Thank you for sharing your concerns–Flynn and I will do our best! :)
 
 
TheCyberMan
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 4,967v
Posted 2012/12/23 - 5:13 GMT
Yes, sorry; I wrote that out of anger.
 
 
What I meant to say was that you need to make sure to pass down administration when the time comes (which you already stated) and to make sure moderation is also passed down. 
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
5 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/23 - 6:07 GMT
Noted, Cheez! When working on the theme, I tried to honor Mars as much as possible -- it's a little brighter but as I recall, not too much brighter.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
5 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/23 - 6:15 GMT
Hello! I have been rather quiet on this topic, since, well, I actually don't have a vote... I will go with the community on this one :)
 
 
To give some status on this, the forum is rather unfinished -- I actually stopped working on the theme so that I could get to work on Mars 3.0, and it seems I never got back. Before I resume worko n the forum theme, I am going to want to at least have Networking figured out with Mars 3.0, but I am sure we can set up a demo of the unfinished theme some time before then.
 
I suggest that we go bi-forum for a while, let's not compell anyone to switch. I can set Mars 3.0 up to accept logins from the SMF forum AND plexpedia at the same time. We can start linking to the new forum, and allow people to switch over naturally without being compelled. We could probably continue this indefinitely, unless the plexpedia forum dies.
 
 
Basically, Make the new forum an option! If every one moves over, great! If no one moves over, we can still keep it an option! :) Let people decide with their actions.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
5 days - 10,809v
Posted 2012/12/23 - 8:56 GMT
Cool!
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 4,967v
Posted 2012/12/24 - 17:21 GMT
Well IMO, many people will leave the game when this mars 3 comes out. Remember the 40,000 players who never visited the forum. What will we do about them?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/24 - 19:02 GMT
I have a suggestion to make, though: can we please not make the switch until we can play Mars 3.0 from our browser on the new forum website.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/12/24 - 19:05 GMT
Mad,
 
In the past, aubrey made "new version notices" when a version became outdated, with a link to the new version. Maybe we coul do that for 2.22?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
2 days - 8,588v
Posted 2012/12/25 - 3:39 GMT
I approve completely,
 
A forum needs an admin.
 
this forums admin is inactive and thus a new forum should be created.
 
 
Keep up the good thinking
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
2 days - 8,588v
Posted 2012/12/25 - 3:41 GMT
maybe a marsxplr chatroom on the main page?
 
like a lobby chat
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 hours - 453v
Posted 2012/12/28 - 0:37 GMT
I vote of course but will there be new vehicles or vehicle upgrades.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 hours - 453v
Posted 2012/12/28 - 0:43 GMT
Also better music please. The current music is sorta outdated and boring and since its a new begining to another mars explorer we should also have new audio.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 31,378v
Posted 2012/12/28 - 3:26 GMT
NO keep the music just add more!
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
21 hours - 2,440v
Posted 2013/01/02 - 1:26 GMT
yes YES YES!!!
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 4,998v
Posted 2013/01/02 - 2:31 GMT
It seems sad to be switching from plexpedia, and I didn't like it at first. 
 
But every one of the reasons makes complete sense. It's good to have a fresh start.
 
I agree with cheez. The black background is really nice. Also, NO SIGNATURES!!! I hate how signatures clog up normal forums. I think the comments part of each post should be fairly compact and simple as it is now. 
 
I vote yes.
 
What's the link to the new forum?
 
Gub
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/02 - 3:50 GMT
It's a secret because it is not out yet.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 4,998v
Posted 2013/01/02 - 20:38 GMT
I figured, but I was asking anyway.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
2 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/07 - 1:46 GMT
I vote yes to this idea. 
 
For a new beginning, a new forum must be born. I'm not in favor of a reset, I'm in favor of starting over the forum from scratch.
 
However, I feel that new administrators must be decided upon in a vote by the community and that Aubrey should retain a status of honorary administrator. 
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 31,378v
Posted 2013/01/07 - 2:05 GMT
Not good idea. Not many people are as calm, cool, and concentrated as the current one's are. And the one's that are arent the smartest. Sorry to say but I think you need to wait on choosing who to who until someone is proven. 
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
2 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/07 - 2:08 GMT
Please elaborate further;
 
1) Are you confused that I am calling for the replacement of moderators as well as administrators? If you are I will happily explain my thought further.
 
2) Until someone is proven? Proven for what if I may ask? Proven to be able to function as a moderator, or just function in general?
 
With Warm Regards,
 
TheDude, Marsxplr.com Site Moderator
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 31,378v
Posted 2013/01/07 - 2:12 GMT
1) I'm not confused and I'm happy with one's we have. I thought you were saying that if one leaves one should join or need more.
 
2) What I'm trying to say is instead of putting on a front knowing your being seen if your right instead of showing your true colors. And yeah sorta of both functions as mods and with others.
 
Stryker, Marsxplr.com Site thingy.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/07 - 2:41 GMT
Dude, on the new forum I would did intake nominate you for global moderator, just saying that now.
However, (correct me if I'm wrong anyone)
Aubrey is no longer an active development member. Mars explorer was put to open source to be developed independently of him. If anyone not related to this forum had started developing, this forum would be long forgotten. I feel he can hold the position of esteemed bystander.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/01/07 - 3:20 GMT
It would be an asshole-ish move to not give Aubrey admin status.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/09 - 17:50 GMT
I vote yes... if it doesn't just drop out like this one did recently. ;)
 
Man have I been gone for ages - last time I logged on we were all waiting for SYN3H... xD But it looks awesome.
 
One question - ads?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/09 - 20:31 GMT
Likely, for revenue
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/09 - 20:51 GMT
If you don't want them to make money from you then just get ABP.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/09 - 21:07 GMT
I use ABP, but it doesn't stop them all. All it does (for me at least) is replace them with 'page not found' boxes everywhere.
 
And ads don't take your money. They (sometimes) give money to the host, but some are only on a pay-per-click basis.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/09 - 21:11 GMT
I always thought that the revenue could be much greater with no ads, but with a donate button - idea?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/01/09 - 21:16 GMT
Mars Explorer does not have a fraction of the needed amount of people for a sucessful donate button.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/09 - 21:33 GMT
If it gives "page not found" boxes everywhere, then the ads are probably iFrames. :P
 
Tip: Disable APB on the new forum and just get Flashblock. Flashblock will disable all flash stuff. To enable a flash object, click the button.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
3 days - 9,746v
Posted 2013/01/10 - 2:42 GMT
I vote yes, even though my heart tells me I want to stay on Plexpedia, because it feels so much more like home.
Thank you Dude, I agree the most with you. As a member of the community, I appreciate my voice as well as everyone else's voices. However, as with electing a President of the United States, there should be some qualifiers, so that EVERYONE doesn't run for moderator.
 
1. People must be willing to make a time commitment. Everyone wants to be a moderator because of the power they obtain. But is anyone willing to take the responsibility that comes with the power? Someone "running" for moderator must be willing to show that they care, not just that they want power.
 
2. Experience. I say 2 years, I'm open to persuasion. A moderator should be extremely experienced in "forum ettiquete", especially because our forum is so much different (might I say better?) than other forums.
 
3. Generally good disposition- Everyone has bad days, myself most of all, but I feel as though a moderator should make judgements based not off of anger or annoyance, but the established criteria for posting.
 
I would really like to see everyone's input on this, so let me know what you guys think, ok?
yours truly,
ffroggy
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/10 - 9:30 GMT
I'd say it's more of an age problem - people below 18 (at least in the UK) can't have a paypal account or similar,  so I guess you wouldn't get too much.
 
Is the hosting really that expensive? My site's isn't.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/10 - 9:31 GMT
Couldn't agree more with ffroggy. Nice one!!!
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/10 - 9:34 GMT
Yes... they are...
 
I've used enough of my disk space for firefox pugins, thank you very much. I know a lot of people who simply don't understand ad blockers, so they're stuffed anyways. :S
 
I understand there is a need to generate some income to cover costs. But dating sites? Can't you choose more appropriate stuff? Before anyone says "it's only about the sites you visit" this is a brand new computer.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
5 days - 10,809v
Posted 2013/01/10 - 16:27 GMT
Oh! Btw, my comment "Cool!" means I vote yes! :D
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 4,998v
Posted 2013/01/10 - 17:20 GMT
Really? I wouldn't say that with such confidence, but I guess so... idk.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2013/01/10 - 17:26 GMT
This thread is so amusing. Although the split may be with the greatest intentions, I fear its success will be limited and will die off without the support of Aubrey. Those curious ones may be thinking, "Mr. Spiffy, why is that?" Well, the way I see it, Flynn is currently the life to any future this game has. Aside from being powered by unicorn tears, Flynn is human and can not dedicate his life to programming the precious "Mars Explorer." Currently, there are three different directions: Syn3h, Mars, and Mars for the people (I wanted to say by the people, but it is by Flynn). And excuse my ignorance if others have contributed to this "community Mars," but to my limited knowledge of what goes on anymore, Flynn is the guy behind the wheel. Whilst I doubt Flynn will completely abandon the game, creating the new forum will not further the development of the game. If anything, the transfer will be a step back since it will further split everything up.
 
There may be a few who still come here for a good laser battle or for starting a "competition," but other than that, what do you really have? The chaos of this forum is what keeps most coming back. Try to organize that chaos, and you will lose a lot of what holds everyone's interest in this community. Yes, it is a sick analogy, but it seems true in most respects to me. You are all better off starting a new game and a new forum completely different from anything Mars has ever been.
 
Also, if you guys ever decide to do this, you need to remove the yellow tint to that grey you are using.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
5 days - 10,809v
Posted 2013/01/10 - 20:22 GMT
Meh. You have a point but. Oh well! It's worth a try! Maybe we could have a taster for the new forum thing.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/10 - 20:41 GMT
However, Mr. Spiffy, Plexpedia is why many people stop visiting the Mars Explorer forum. The results of chaos will not be better than the results of a properly controlled forum.
 
Since when will we die without the support of Aubrey? Aubrey hadn't supported us for a couple years, until he released the source code. Additionally, Flynn and I have talked with Aubrey about the future of Mars already–Aubrey will support our choices (including forum switiching). His concern is for the future of Syn3h. Our next move is to get a new game and forum going. From there, I know several little things that we can do to promote Mars and the forum; I just haven't talked about any of that business in this thread. Having control of a game and its forum helps during this process.
 
In short, don't worry about losing a community.
 

Thank you for all your comments and concerns everyone! When the time comes, we will probably have a discussion thread for recommendations  :)
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/10 - 21:28 GMT
With this open-source thing, I hope this game doesn't turn into what happened to Free Rider. There were many variations and communities of Free Rider and it's confusing.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
10 hours - 1,381v
Posted 2013/01/11 - 3:35 GMT
<3
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 4,967v
Posted 2013/01/11 - 14:33 GMT
I really like this forum.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2013/01/11 - 16:30 GMT
I said it will not flourish without Aubrey because Aubrey has always been the final say in all matters. This is his game, and we respect his authority for that reason. In a "community" Mars, that authority is lost. This would essentially give everyone equal power, or atleast they would think it entitles them to that power. There may not be mutiny at first, but I can see there being issues in the future.
 
Also, without Aubrey, this still remains the official Mars where newbies or the public in general will come to. There is no sense in splitting an already dwindling community. If Aubrey really wants to support this, then he should acknowledge that the organization of this forum really is not very good and implement a new forum system here. Unless of course, that is what you intend to do. If it is, you guys really need to work on explaining things.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 4,998v
Posted 2013/01/11 - 17:43 GMT
Spiffy,
 
I disagree. You talk about Aubrey starting a new forum system here, but the only thing Aubrey has done in the last year or two is release the source code.
 
I also do not think that the power will be as spread out as you think it will be, but that's just a guess, and I sort of share your concern there.
 
I would say that in the scheme of things, it doesn't really matter if Aubrey supports this new forum or not. People will move. Aubrey isn't active anymore so it doesn't matter whether he moves his attention to the new forum or not.
 
Gub
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2013/01/11 - 18:08 GMT
I am not saying that Aubrey will incroporate the forum here. Killerdude said Aubrey is in support of forum switching. So, if Aubrey is in support of forum switching, why does he not just improve this forum?
 
Most people will not know to move. If you found this game, would you be more likely to go to the official website for the game or some community off-shoot?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
5 days - 10,809v
Posted 2013/01/11 - 19:09 GMT
Maybe Aubrey doesn't have the time? Anywho, maybe the mods and the admins could have occasional talks on how the forum is going, so that bad stuff doesn't happen.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/11 - 20:32 GMT
Improving this forum means Aubrey has to program . . . a lot. Supporting doesn't constitute working. Aubrey is too busy in real life to work with us.
 
Aubrey also said he would upload our version of the game on this site once we have an official release. Therefore, everyone would be playing the same game, and the forum advertisements would redirect to the new forum.
 
By the way, the new forum is hosted on my website.
 
Last addressed issue: You bring up a good point with mutiny. This is precisely why Flynn is working hard to find a good solution when making the game open-source. Plenty of communities fall apart once the source is released, so we will do our best to avoid that contingency. But, that has to do with releasing the game code–not switching forums.
 
Any other questions or concerns?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/11 - 20:55 GMT
Uh, what if Aubrey gave you administrative access to administer the forum and work with it so Aubrey can do other stuff like developing Syn3h and shooting targets?
 
And when this new forum is released, it'll need its own domain-name (e.g. marsxplr3.com).
 
Doesn't having a domain name and server cost money? What if you host your website on ATI server?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/11 - 21:25 GMT
Having a domain name does cost money... notice any ads at all? Anywhere on the net?
 
If I could I would pay for hosting (to hopefully remove ads - or at least reduce them), but I'm broke right now and explaining it to parents would be... impossible.
 
Edit: Ugh, just noticed - TheCyberMan said he's hosting it... maybe both of us should learn to read...
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/11 - 21:27 GMT
Like I said, we could ask Aubrey to host it on his server.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
5 days - 10,809v
Posted 2013/01/11 - 21:34 GMT
Ok, I am just going to simple things up here. New forum =awesomeness! :D    (hopefully) :P
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/11 - 21:36 GMT
Umm... no... if he hasn't got any reason to, I'd say that's an unfair move. The traffic would be immense, he'd  get hammered for it. And it would be aubreyfalconer.com/blahblahwassitsnameohmars rather than mars.com. Just using those for examples.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/12 - 1:02 GMT
That's a bad idea, Lamp. The whole point of this is to migrate, not to rely on Aubrey for his services. Also, if the forum is hosted on Aubrey's server, we wouldn't have control of the SQL database, which holds the account statistics for Flynn and I to use. (Refer to #4 from my list.)
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/12 - 1:51 GMT
No, it'll have it's own domain name (e.g. marsexplorer.com).
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 31,378v
Posted 2013/01/12 - 5:17 GMT
Fresh restart.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2013/01/12 - 6:26 GMT
Yes, one last question. If Aubrey does not have the time or motivation to truly give this game the care it needs, why bother? Flynn has basically "made" the game once over, and now you are about to create an entirely different forum for it. What more of Aubrey's is left? It may as well not even be his game. For that matter, it does not even hold true to its name! And if it continues in the direction the community wishes it will, the game will become nothing more than a vehicle simulator where you can make environments to drive things on! I have said countless times that I regret creating the hovercraft those years ago. When I did that, I fractured any purpose or theme Aubrey could have given this game. Instead, he dedicated that time to incorporating ways to have all this irrelevent content in the game.
 
In my personal opinion, most of you are wasting your time. All we have been doing is rescuing this game from ourselves.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/12 - 7:42 GMT
It sounds like you dislike the idea of improvements/advancements to the game. The more you talk, the more you seem to disagree with all that's been done . . . What exactly do you want/propose, to revert back to a much older version of Mars?
 
Aubrey was not going to stop improving Mars if you hadn't sent him your hovercraft. I don't understand why you find Aubrey's updates "irrelevant." Evidently, he planned on further developing Mars into something greater, which is why he started "Syn3h." Also, Flynn and I have talked about the future of Mars, and we also figured that it will need a new name.
 
Anyway, to answer your question, we bother because we want to continue nurturing the game and community. Why should we not bother because Aubrey "does not have the time or motivation to truly give this game the care it needs?" Besides, Aubrey graciously released the source code for us to improve Mars. Does that not count?
 
Aubrey may be unable to develop now, but he still had formed the structure of Mars Explorer's game and community; we will credit him for that.  Indeed, Mars Explorer will soon no longer be in Aubrey's control (he pretty much gave that up by making it open source), but that does not mean we should stop the development of it together. I guess what I'm trying to say is, we will always look at Aubrey as our founding father, but we can still carry on the business without him.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2013/01/12 - 15:36 GMT
I did not say that Aubrey was going to stop improving Mars if I had not sent him the hovercraft. After I created the hovercraft, Aubrey's efforts began to revolve around allowing community content in the game. Many of the levels which have been created are not relevent to any Martian theme whatsoever. They are irrelevent content.
 
This "community" you wish to nurture appears to consist of about 25 active members based on who has voted in this thread. I am willing to bet that a large percentage of those members hardly play the game and only show up to drop in their two cents. I say you should not bother because you could easily go make a different game without any strings attached to Aubrey. As gracious as the release of the source code was, I can conceive that it was Aubrey's way of saying "not my problem anymore." I am sure you boys are creative enough to make something on your own.
 
Actually, your witty snap of reverting back to a previous version of Mars is a pretty good idea.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 31,378v
Posted 2013/01/12 - 17:02 GMT
I expected more people to leave seeing that this place was never updated for over 2 years. When Mars gets upgraded and so does the forum I can bet it will get better.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 4,998v
Posted 2013/01/12 - 21:52 GMT
Spiffy, we are continuing this game because it has potential. Why would we ever want to start new when we have a good game, a community that will grow when we update the game, and good people to keep updating the game. 
 
It seems like you view this game as a purist would. I only have a small problem with that. That is sometimes people just want more additions. I think what will get people back to playing this game is not careful planning and sticking to the theme and purity of the game, it is ADDING things. Maybe changing the game, and by doing that upset some people, but I think it's worth it.
 
Gub
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
6 days - 15,269v
Posted 2013/01/12 - 22:30 GMT
Spiffy brings up a valid point! Mars is hanging on by a single thread, which is Flynn. If he left, we'd be in a pickle. This game has now been on life support for 2 years (probably longer); a new forum could very well kill what little remains. And if "the chaos of this forum is what keeps most coming back," I'm not sure it's even worth saving. Then again, we're a pretty tough lot. We got through marshax, puppets, and Aubrey's eternal absence, right? Even if all goes to hell, I think parts of this community will survive in some form or another. We've put in too much time and effort to quit now.
 
On Spiffy's second point: Totally agree. The "Mars" theme is what drew me to the game, and as cool as a lot of the "improvements/advancements" were, they deviated from that theme more and more until Mars was virtually unrecognizable. I don't think it started with the hovercraft. The old future page gives a glimpse of the direction Mars could have gone in while keeping in the theme. I think it was the overzealous addition of custom settings and worlds that really did us in. And that @#$% 1.9.4 lava :(
 
I'm not against progress, it's too late to get rid of every pre-1.9.4 addition anyhow. I've pushed for a "Classic Mars" game mode in 3.0, with unchangeable settings, old style lava, limited vehicles, original maps, perhaps that could work for everyone?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
6 days - 21,100v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 0:35 GMT
ok i think i see what you and spiffy are gitting at here. 
 
So if you take a look at the worlds of mars explorer you will see that a majority of them are not even about the panet mars at all.  they are all a bunch of random coustom worlds that people have made, and a lot of them dont even have the classic mars texture!   cool these worlds are but they stear away from the name of the game.  which is about mars.  
 
now this may be getting off topic but in relation to the new forums, who is to say that this new forum will accually be about mars explorer and such.  these type of forums are often split up into diffrent sections.  which is something that i loved about this plexpidea forum.  all posts are on a single page deticated to a single topic.  with this new forum, it looks as if they are all split up and separated.  and with my personal experiences with these type of forums, most people just go to the off topic section/general discussion.  and usually this has nothing to do with the original intention of the forum.  
 
if you don't mind here is an example of what i am talking about. mylittleremix.com
  this is a site where musicians can share remixes and songs that they have made about a show called MLP. they also can get feedback and give feedback to help them make better music.  Or at least that is the intention of website.  
what actually is happening is that most people are there to randomly talk about nothing related to music or MLP.  There is a small number of people who actually visit the website in hopes of disscussing music related topics.  the rest of the community sortof floats around there and hardly contributes at all. 
 
I feel that if mars explorer has this same sort of forum i think that it may gain a bigger audience but not really anyone who is dedicated to it.  why do i say that?  we are currently on are 3rd version of general discussion. but besides that, as it stands right now,  the only people who visit and comment on these forums are the dedicated ones.  though it might not seem like it, they are the ones who like the game and wish to discuss it with others who have the same feeling.  
 
ok i will be honest here, it is very hard to explain what my opinion is on this.  i am not for a new for currently but at the same time i am.  im gonna have to think more about this and how to explain my thoughts. :P
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 2:51 GMT
One of the biggest problems with these sepearte boards is that you don't know what and what not to keep and what to call them. With Plexpedia you don't worry about that, unless you put categories.
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 3:14 GMT
We would need big notices here saying that mars has moved for nostalgic players so there know where to go.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 4:00 GMT
Spiffy,
 
You are right: the ones that voted are the only dedicated or semi-dedicated members that still remain on this forum. So if they want to switch, what do we have to lose? Additionally, keep in mind that the new forum is improved, and because Flynn and I will have direct access to the programming of the forum, we can promote and develop the game much more easily. To emphasize my point, please read my list of reasons for the forum switch one more time.
 
Ibcf brought up the point regarding our dependency on Flynn. I'd just like to say that Flynn is working hard to make sure that if he cannot continue developing Mars, we will be able to persevere independently. That's one reason for his decision to release the source code.
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 4:07 GMT
@Panzer
 
That's definitely planned out; it would not be a problem. :)
 
@Lamp
 
What do you mean? Forums like that are organized very well. Plexpedia is a bit messier.
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 4:09 GMT
By the way everyone, I know I said to not worry about communal issues during the switch, but I'm willing to explain my particular plans if it helps answer your questions and concerns.
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 4:12 GMT
Heh, that's not a problem. Just put a big sign saying "This forum has moved. Click here to go to the new one."; or you can use javascript.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 4:41 GMT
Sure, Killerdude, they said yes, but on what grounds did they say yes? Security improvements, some useless banter about who the administrators are, and a mention of how old and outdated Plexpedia is. That hardly seems to be any grounds to say yes on. You have mentioned advertising, but where and to who are you planning on advertising? Anybody on Mars who actually cares about Mars is already here. Anybody on Mars who is not here does not care if the forum moved or how organized it is. Anybody not on Mars is going to be scratching their heads because this game has nothing to do with Mars nor any logical explanation for what one is supposed to do in the game.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 6:30 GMT
How is that hardly any grounds to say yes? Good lord, this is going to be long, but I will inform you on the reasons for these choices.
 
1. Administration: We need administrators to overlook a community; These administrators can directly fix problems that involve programming; they appoint the moderators; they update the information pages (including the play page); they can get the things done that Aubrey cannot afford to do now. Flynn and I will work on the forum.
 
2. Moderation- The moderators on this forum have very little power, which is virtually useless without the help of an admin when it comes to spamming and hacking. These guys keep the forum in order, so it will be helpful to give them the ability to mute people and lock threads in addition to removing things. Also, the new forum comes with a feature for users–post reporting. This makes it easier to fix problems speedily when a moderator is needed.
 
3Security issues-
1. Javascript enabled in embedding. Read this thread to learn more: http://marsxplr.plexpedia.com/view-12670 Remember all those hacks, toying, etc. done to us with Javascript? There's a simple solution to this problem: remove the ability to embed Javascript in posts. The new forum will offer all we need for posting–BBCode and basic HTML programming. If we want something more or different, then Flynn and I can certainly program it!
2. Our information is stored in text files, which makes our personal information very vulnerable to hackers. The new forum uses one-way encryptions, so not even Flynn or I could know what your passwords are. We could change them or reset them in emergencies as admins on the forum, but we cannot see the stored password in the account database. It's that secure.
 
4. Account Systems- Switching account systems, so we have control over them for Mars 3.0. This means we could implement new account features/statistics in the future, and we can directly fix accounts with problems. (People like PocketMAD and kruncher can tell you about their account problems that were not fixed by Aubrey until much later.) We would have complete control over the accounts in the game and forum without relying on Aubrey for bug fixes, improvements, implementations, etc. With that in mind, think of all the other things that could be done in the future.
 
5. Plexpedia is Obsolete- Plexpedia was made somewhere around 2005-2007, and it hasn't been updated much since then. The new forum has new and improved contemporary programming. It's source, SMF, is a project worked on by hundreds of professional programmers, and it is very secure. It also offers many more features and is more efficient. Feel free to check out SMF's website to see all that it has to offer here: http://www.simplemachines.org
 
What is wrong with these grounds on which the other voters say yes?
 
Regarding advertising, there are little website tricks (which is included inside the forum!), such as search engine optimization (SEO), which help the site stand out. Also, attracting and keeping users will be easier because of all the pros of the new forum . . . but that's an issue of opinion.
 
You say some people don't care about organization, so how will switching forums affect them? Lastly, you say that people will "scratch" their heads because they won't see the relevance of the game's name to the forum. First of all, this hasn't been a problem yet. Nothing Flynn has even fixed or added has really changed the essence of what Mars 2.22 is. And like I've said already, we plan on changing the name anyway; it's clear that Mars has deviated from its original theme for quite some time now.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 14:07 GMT
I am aware of what the reasons are and I am aware of what SMF is. Nearly every forum on the planet uses it.
 
Your plan is search engine optimization? Incase you have not realized, if you type in "Mars Multiplayer," Mars Explorer is the top hit. If you type in "Mars Game," Mars Explorer is the fourth hit. If you ask me, that is pretty well optimized. How will attracting and keeping users be easier with a new forum? You certainly are right that it is an issue of opinion! If I was a teenager between 12-15 (this game's relative age group), I would not care about what the game's forum looks like!
 
I mentioned the people who do not care about this forum's organization or existence because any advertising done on Mars to make players aware of a forum will be relatively pointless. I mentioned this simply because I had no idea how you were planning to advertise. Search Engine Optimization is hardly advertising nor is it anything revolutionary.
 
There are like, ten people playing Mars whenever I go on. And that is a generous number considering most of the servers do not work. I am not sure what fuzzy ideas of success you think this game has, but you need to figure out some kind of direction for this game before you ever go all out with a new forum. "Adding new stuff" does not count as a direction. Otherwise, you are going to get the new forum started, launch the official release, and you know, there will be some Mars junkies playing and having a good time, but after that, who is playing Mars?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 14:27 GMT
There is a reason why every forum on the planet uses SMF: it works.
 
Umm, I'm 14 and absolutely care what it looks like... and you seem to be the only one with a differing opinion...
 
SEO is absolutely a form of advertising. And SEO is what got us to the top hits you mentioned. It is a constant battle against others that wish for the same ranking. It isn't revolutionary, but it works. Unity3d.com used to, and I think still does, list Mars as a good example of Unity in action. Word of mouth is another method of advertising in use here. What do want them to do, post ads the whole way down route 66?
 
Spiffy, reading your comment here, it seems like you just hate everything that has been suggested for Mars. Yes, there are limited numbers of people online at any one time, and yes, we are mainly Mars junkies. This is not some multi-million-dollar game that is expected to top the charts as a multiplayer game. Advertising generally costs money. BIG money. If you have a wallet of a similar size to Bill Gates', please do everything you can to advertise this game.
 
I've always thought the small community has been a plus here; you can log on and play with people you know, have a chat, then log off. I might be biased because I have no real-world social life whatsoever (home-ed) but this game means a huge amount to many people, including me. If you hate it so much, please just leave, rather than try to block every path it could take. I think I speak for many people on here when I say that I want to see Mars grow and improve, and I am aware that to do this, it must see some changes. How many people do you think left when they heard of the hacking? How many would have joined, but changed their minds to save their personal information? This new forum should prevent that from happening again.
 
And finally, appearance is everything. This forum hasn't changed in years; it looks outdated, complicated, and underused to anyone who's not a regular visitor. I'm sorry, this is a change that has to happen. The new forum is better in every way. I can't understand why you're so desperate to stop us moving to it.
 
We could always go the way of bzflag: have almost two hundred servers hosted 24/7, with no-one in them. Then it would /look/ popular.
 
Sorry for being so long-winded,
 
Ace.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 14:38 GMT
Sorry for double-post, but I have a few questions:
 
Will our account details be transfered automatically, or will we have to re-create them? I think the latter makes more sense.
 
Will it be synced to all versions of Mars, or just the new ones?
 
Will we have the 'Real Name' option (or some other name prefix field)?
 
Sorry if these have been asked before, but it's hard to find much in the mass of responses here.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 14:48 GMT
Exactly, Mars has already been optimized for search engines like I said. So, any optimization Killerdude can do is only going to parallel what Mars has already. I certainly do not see crowds of people rolling in nor is the community growing. My point about SEO was that Killerdude made it sound like he had some incredible scheme planned for getting the word out.
 
If this game ever developed some form of direction, I do have some free means of advertising at my disposal. If others exercised similar forms of advertisement, then those combined efforts might actually amount to something. When it actually decides what it wants to be and the task of creating an identity for the game is taken seriously, then this game might actually have potential. Based on the current conversation, I do not see a well developed interest in doing that. Right now, the game is just a community science experiment and any efforts to advertise it will be squandered.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 15:06 GMT
Nothing - repeat, nothing - is ever free, and definitely advertising, so.... ??? Do you mean spamming other sites?
Why do you have something against Killerdude? He and Flynn have been working v. hard to keep Mars rolling (far more than you...), and that includes contnuing development. So I say, if you want to see Mars develop, do something. Don't just sit around telling others what they have done wrong.
Killerdude and Flynn, as I have said, are working for all of us. I can speak from experience, as a programmer: the developing is hard, there are times when it seems impossible, and it can really, really affect your moral. But you know what? That's not the worst. The worst is when people like you tell them that they have done all the wrong things, that they aren't doing enough, that there work won't be taken seriously... do you see what you are doing to them?
 
You are being extremely rude. It hurts me, I think it hurts the entire community when you say things like 'when it decides what it wants to be' and 'might actually amount to something.' It isn't a science experiment, or if it is, it's gone horribly out of control. The point of Mars is it is a social game - you play WITH people, not AGAINST them. I think the reason you think it is so bad is you have no understanding of the term 'social'.
 
Apologies for any rudeness,
 
Ace.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 15:25 GMT
No. There are forums that consider graphic design, 3D modeling, game design, and other creative outlets as interesting. There are forums that have designated areas for advertising one's own sites or accomplishments. There are forums with boards specifically intended for discussing other games. As long as it is done non-intrusively and the member of such forums doing the posting has a decent reputation, I see nothing wrong with using such forums for their intended purpose. I am capable of doing just this. There also is the Unity forums where one may advertise a game as being released or in progress.
 
I am familiar with criticism, and if one is not familiar with it, then it is easy for it to be taken the wrong way. Sure, my criticism may be taken abrasively, but I am trying to be constructive here seeing as nobody has taken the time to actually say no to this proposition of a new forum and consider its consequences. Seeing as the people proposing a new forum are also the ones responsible for the creation of a new game, such conversation has also woven its way into the discussion.
 
Flynn and I go way back and I am sure if anybody has become callused to my behaviors, it is him. As for Killerdude, I can not say the same, but he seems to be taking everything in a responsible and calm manner. If he expected there to not be opposition, then that was naive of him. The only person who really seems to be taking this harshly is you.
 
I am doing something. I am watching out for the game I have grown up with over the past five years.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 15:44 GMT
Ah yes - the Unity Showcase. There are thousands of games in there, in case you hadn't noticed - and Mars has been in there for years.
'one's own accomplishments' - I'm sorry, precisely what have you done to help development of Mars?
 
Yes, I know about critisism. There is a difference between plain complaining and constructive crit. I have not seen a single suggestion / otherwise constructive statment posted by you here. And no, I don't take 'staying here' as a constructive point. You haven't been constructive in any way - if you could suggest an improvement to the design, or say what you don't like, THAT is crit. All I've read of your comments is complaint.
 
Knowing someone well is no excuse. And there are plenty of people on here that are severely worried that you are attempting to stop Mars' development - that is how you come across. Yes, people should expect opposition: logic opposition. Not 'agh, I wanna stay here! It's my home!!' then trying to back that up.
As for me, I understand that changes must be made to Mars for it to improve. And personally, I like the concept of having my data more secure, thank you very much.
 
Watching out for it? Is there a single development you haven't opposed? It seems you're too stuck in the past.
 
Ace.
 
Edit: I believe Gub posted some crit earlier on - see that as an example.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 16:08 GMT
I used Unity's showcase as a second example and it is by no means where I intend to advertise. Oh, yes, "one's." Excuse me for using proper grammar that has confused you, but now you are the one picking the fights. I used "one's" because saying "your" would not be proper. I mean, then you may have inferred it as meaning you specifically. What have you done for this game? If you really want to know what I have done for the development of Mars, I created the Hovercraft and cocreated the Sea Monster with Olim. Those are the direct ways I have aided the development of this game. I would rather not flatter myself by speculating the list of ways which I have inderectly aided the development of this game.
 
If I call it "constructive debate," will that help you? I am trying to have an intelligent conversation with Killerdude and anyone else willing to pose an unbiased view, such as ibcf.
 
People are worrying? Whom? Do you honestly think that Killerdude and Flynn are going to stop developing Mars because of my posts? "Oh my gosh, Spiffy's right, we should just completely stop everything." Have you ever tried to stop Flynn from doing something? That guy is a freight train! Incase my posts have not been any indication, I am not trying to stop the development of Mars, I am simply trying to get people, namely Flynn and Killerdude, to better consider what it is they plan to do.
 
Oh, sure, we can play that game! Name a development which I have "opposed" other than this new forum and irrelevent community content. Enlighten me, please.
 
Edit: Oh, and I cocreated the TFC (Tank Fight Club). :p For your viewing pleasure: http://marsxplr.com/view-11686 
 
Heck, while I am at it: Hovercraft: http://marsxplr.com/view-511 Seamonster: http://marsxplr.com/view-990 My creative skills were so bad back then...
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
5 days - 10,809v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 16:12 GMT
Lol..........
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 17:10 GMT
Okay, so maybe I came across wrong. But I don't understand why you seem to be so heavily opposed to this, that's all.
 
Sorry I got all worked up. :( I have no excuse.
 
Although I don't see how TFC helped anyone, really...
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 17:45 GMT
Spiffy:
 
In Mars 3.0 the Sea Monster has a "hole" in it due to a negative face. Is there any way you can fix this?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 17:47 GMT
The TFC helped everyone! :p
 
Ya, that face was like that in the original model. It got fixed by Aubrey, but everyone loved going inside the Sea Monster so much that he reverted it back to the way it was.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 4,998v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 19:48 GMT
Spiffy,
 
You seem so down on everything, it seems like you don't like this game and this community and don't care if it continues on. I think we should be approaching this as optimists, not pessimists. You have some good points that we should continue to look at as we go forward, but I think going against the whole thing isn't getting anyone anywhere.
 
Gub
 
I agree with most things other people say, but I like this forum's appearence, and I like that there's only one page to it.
 
Here's two ideas:
There should be an official update to the game, then we should switch forums.
What if we decided to shut down the hosting of the old forum so they would not compete in search engines?
 
Gub
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 20:36 GMT
I'm apologize, Spiffy–I did not focus on advertising as much as I should. I was tired, and half-assed my response. Of course there's more to this than SEO. Here are all my plans regarding promoting the game and forum:
 
-Search Engine Optimization and CPanel features to increase site popularity/recognition
 
-Uploading the game to game portals, such as Wooglie and Kongregate
 
-Promoting our game appropriately on forums, such as the Unity forum (it will get new attention vs. the old, forgotten MarsXPLR post.)
 
-Application stores, such as the Mac App Store
 
-Creating notifications on this forum, directing people to the new forum.
 
-Uploading our new game (which advertises the forum within) to this website. So, if people go to this website to play this game, they'll know about the new forum from their game.
 
-Google Adwords 
 
-Of course, personally telling pepole
 
-But most importantly, I believe the active development of an appealing game and forum will attract users.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
6 days - 15,269v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 20:40 GMT
"When it actually decides what it wants to be and the task of creating an identity for the game is taken seriously..." - Right on. I don't think we should take the risk of moving to a new forum until the game's future is more certain. At least, like Gub says, we should have the Mars 3.0 update first.
 
"I think we should be approaching this as optimists, not pessimists." - I'm still optimistic about this game's success! But we need to be realistic, and consider the worst-case scenarios as well.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 20:43 GMT
Yes, a few people have addressed this concern too.
 
We will switch once we have an official release of Mars 3.0, which is still not soon. It will be a substantial release.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 21:13 GMT
Welp, I have done everything I can do here. Until you guys actually address the purpose of Mars, I wish you luck on your instant messnger with laser tag. :p
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 22:58 GMT
I think he wants us to define mars's future in very clear terns ex: A ressurection of the future page
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 24,924v
Posted 2013/01/13 - 23:31 GMT
Yes! I love the idea of a new forum, this is awesome!
 
It will, of course, include the new version of the game I hope? :)
 
Cheers,
 
~Oaky
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 3,479v
Posted 2013/01/14 - 7:02 GMT
I think it would be great to have a new forum! Awesome idea and i like the new look too. -sponge
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/14 - 8:46 GMT
"your instant messnger with laser tag" is the kind of comment that gets me worked up. You helped towards it. And now you just want to... trash it?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/14 - 21:05 GMT
Yeeeahh... Spiff's logic doesn't make sense, according to Eric.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/01/14 - 21:17 GMT
Yes. Spiffy's silly logic should just be ignored, since it's full of lies and deception!!!!!!1
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/14 - 21:59 GMT
Okay. ;)
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
10 hours - 1,381v
Posted 2013/01/15 - 2:37 GMT
I votez yes. <3. You may also want to consider prophpbb for the forum software?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/15 - 3:14 GMT
I do like that phpBB has some cool features but it also has too much crap, especially in registration. It also is stuffed with text features. SMF the best!
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
23 hours - 2,065v
Posted 2013/01/15 - 3:25 GMT
I vote yes!  It looks great!  My only worry is that I want to be able to keep my account name.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/15 - 4:09 GMT
You will, don't worry. ;)
 
The memberlist will be for that forum only. It is not shared like in Plexpedia.
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Suggestion for new forum
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/15 - 4:11 GMT
I think that in Mars 3, the account usernames and paswords should be linked to the forum accounting system.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/16 - 0:22 GMT
When will this forum change take place?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/16 - 1:13 GMT
When they say so.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/16 - 1:14 GMT
When will they say so?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/01/16 - 1:40 GMT
When IBCF stops indulging in his cream sodas.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/16 - 1:55 GMT
Lamp, we will release Mars 3.0 (or whatever we will call it) with the new forum. 
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
6 days - 15,269v
Posted 2013/01/16 - 2:43 GMT
NEVAR
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/16 - 3:29 GMT
Oh ok.
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TL:DR At Bottom of Comment
2 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/18 - 21:28 GMT
Greetings,
 
Spiffy is 100% wholeheartedly correct in most of what he has said. He's not trying to be troublesome, he's simply trying to avert the mistakes that ground Marsxplr to a halt over two years ago.
 
Spiffy identified the single greatest problem holding this entire project back, vision and direction.
 
Now don't get me wrong, Marsxplr is stupidly fun and all, but nobody is sure of what Marsxplr is supposed to be exactly. If we're merely going to use Marsxplr as a chatroom, then I say let it die. Skype, Axxon, etc have been more advanced than Marsxplr in that field.
 
If we choose to use Marsxplr as Aubrey envisioned it, then everybody has failed. Marsxplr, as stated by Aubrey in a long forgotten comment on a long forgotten webforum, stated that he one-day hoped to have Marsxplr as the premier virtual reality simulator/education tool for space exploration.
 
If we choose to view Marsxplr as a game, then there is great loss of potential. I have said, and will always say that if Marsxplr had introduced a ranked system similar to Paradise Paintball or League of Legends, we wouldn't even be having this discussion today. League of Legends and Marsxplr were introduced 1 year apart (Marsxplr being the older). In 2013, League of Legends is the most widely played video game on the planet and has tournaments worth millions of dollars nearly every weekend. Marsxplr has largely floundered. If you need more proof of this, may I remind you all of the failed attempt to get Marsxplr its own Wikipedia page. The page was deleted because Marsxplr did not have a notable social impact or accomplishment.
 
With Warm Regards,
TheDude, Marxplr.com Site Moderator
 
 
TL;DR
A new forum is needed yes, but we need a game with direction first.
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Re: TL:DR At Bottom of Comment
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/18 - 21:55 GMT
Now don't get me wrong, Marsxplr is stupidly fun and all, but nobody is sure of what Marsxplr is supposed to be exactly. If we're merely going to use Marsxplr as a chatroom, then I say let it die. Skype, Axxon, etc have been more advanced than Marsxplr in that field.
 
 
Tell that to people who use it as a dating service 
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Re: TL:DR At Bottom of Comment
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/18 - 22:02 GMT
TheDude, as I have said before, our first and foremost objective is the game. If we do get to Mars 3.0/whatever we will call it, it will merit a new forum. We're nowhere near finished with Mars 3.0 . . . Flynn's still working on upgrading and fixing stuff!
 
So, you probably want to know what this game will offer . . . to be honest, Flynn, ibcf, and I have much to discuss about that. We haven't planned anything yet, but there is no rush. In short, I agree wholeheartedly–the direction of the game is crucial.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 24,177v
Posted 2013/01/18 - 22:42 GMT
So establish a direction here and now. Easier said than done, I know, but why not simply stick to the premise of Mars set by Aubrey, and improve upon THAT before we try to improve anything else? No point in expending energy on creating a whole new name, and therefore a whole new premise, when the layout is before us.
 
We just have to spruce it up a little.
 
And, for the record, I agree with Spiffy.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 20,802v
Posted 2013/01/19 - 1:08 GMT
I'm in favor for a new forum as well. :D
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/01/19 - 2:46 GMT
Now that it is socially acceptable to say this outloud, I agree with the idea of a new forum for a new game. Especially the new game idea. Let's do that.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 4,998v
Posted 2013/01/22 - 0:27 GMT
I agree that we should keep the mars theme to this game as much as we can. I don't like making realistic worlds like unity island very much anyways. But sacrficing the creativity for the theme would also destroy the game. What keeps me interested in this game is that there will be updates, and I will be able to do awesome things when creating worlds.
 
I also think that Mars Explorer has a lot of potential as a game. Think of some of the fiction stories people have written. I think taking mars in that direction would be cool! That said, we should be careful while taking Mars in the direction of a game that we don't make it overly complex for pointless reasons, and that we keep the creativity.
 
Thanks,
Gub
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I just lost the game, and TL;DR :)
1 day - 5,173v
Posted 2013/01/22 - 2:48 GMT
Looks good to me! 
New game=New forum, makes some sense :)
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
15 hours - 3,237v
Posted 2013/01/25 - 4:44 GMT
I say Yae
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/01/28 - 4:14 GMT
I think the logo has to be updated. It still has the same old buggy and hovercraft. Plus, this game is getting upgrades and overhauls, AND a new forum. It's getting redone! It needs a new logo!
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
3 days - 9,368v
Posted 2013/01/28 - 5:10 GMT
I really like this idea. Mars Explorer is more than a chat room were you change vehicles and and drive around wherever. what has been said for a while is that its purpose is for exploration. The ideas are definetly new and we are seeing more and more people joining mars. I think we are heading in the right direction for a new mars. We are going to have more to explore and more things to look forward to. I vote "Yes" for this.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
3 days - 9,368v
Posted 2013/01/28 - 5:13 GMT
Sorry for the errors, the autocorrect on my phone is changing everything and when i try to fix it, it won't take me where i left off.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
21 hours - 2,440v
Posted 2013/02/06 - 22:49 GMT
I vote:YES!
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/02/07 - 4:57 GMT
Fios? Is that you or a clone?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
3 days - 10,293v
Posted 2013/02/08 - 1:30 GMT
In my farewell note from last year, I said that a new web presence for Mars was a must. Now is the time to make it happen. I vote Yes. But I don't necessarily agree with the system selected :/
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/02/12 - 6:46 GMT
Simple Machines? Which one would you use instead?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
3 days - 9,609v
Posted 2013/02/18 - 1:04 GMT
My Vote, in thought and overall: Yes.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 day - 3,337v
Posted 2013/02/19 - 14:11 GMT
Well, here goes. I vote no. I've got no reasons to add, except, it just feels wrong; Aubrey gave us so much, and now we choose to turn around and move on without him? Those members of the community who want to move on to greater things have nothing holding them back, and a community which will follow with interest whatever they do. But please, leave Mars where it is, because to me at least it will always belong with Aubrey.
 
Also, for the record, I believe Tigerstorm said "I agree with Spiffy" so I'd like to see him counted.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/02/20 - 2:37 GMT
Those members of the community who want to move on to greater things have nothing holding them back, and a community which will follow with interest whatever they do. But please, leave Mars where it is, because to me at least it will always belong with Aubrey.- PR
 
This forum, for my stated reasons, is a hindrance. Are you proposing, then, that we make a separate game and leave the era of Mars here?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/02/20 - 2:45 GMT
I like that idea.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/02/20 - 3:16 GMT
Hmm....
 
I like the goold ol' Mars made by the good ol' Aubrey. If only Aubrey would be active, this gave would be in good condition.
 
 
Hmm.......
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 hour - 73v
Posted 2013/03/03 - 22:56 GMT
Begin the Exodus!
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
23 hours - 2,065v
Posted 2013/03/04 - 3:30 GMT
Yes
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/03/04 - 4:03 GMT
Did Willzahk just talk..?


BTW your worlds work again. Thought I would let you know. 
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
11 hours - 1,756v
Posted 2013/03/04 - 20:40 GMT
ill say yes, but i will retain my moderator status wont i?
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2013/03/04 - 22:57 GMT
Hahahaha! Worried about the moderation status, are we? No, not selfish at all.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/03/04 - 23:57 GMT
@pheo:
 
I'd prefer if we "started fresh" with choosing mods based on current actions and comnunity involvement, not history.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
21 hours - 2,440v
Posted 2013/03/12 - 3:50 GMT
Im not a clone
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
11 hours - 1,756v
Posted 2013/03/13 - 0:39 GMT
not worried, just asking. its not a big deal if i continue moderator status or not, i only wondered. if they want to start fresh thats ok, i understand.
 
all the best,
 
-Phen (not pheo...)
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/03/14 - 4:47 GMT
In the new forum...
will there be any special features like usergroups and calendars and stuff? Oh please, most important is a chat :!
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/03/14 - 9:45 GMT
Calendars? The use being...?
 
We already have a PM system. As long as that works on the new version, we don't really need a chat.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/03/16 - 22:35 GMT
No we need one. PM isn't instant.  
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/03/16 - 23:33 GMT
I agree that we should have an instant chat, but I don't think we need one. Anywho, I intend on purchasing slots with Teamspeak, which includes voice chat, for the Mars community chatroom. With it we can use Teamspeak for general discussions to in-game strategic talk.
 
I will probably have this all set up by the time we release the new forum. It's a great asset for a gaming community.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/03/16 - 23:38 GMT
That sounds great! It will be great to communicate like that, but it is a leap of faith.
Having talked with Flynn on Skype, I can certainly say it is more efficient communication.
I'm all for it unless its overrun buy noobs, trolls, AFriend or other nuisances :)
How much is an account?
Will we need accounts with our real names displayed?
Do accounts cost US money?
What is your opinion on revenue gain for 3,0 servers.
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Re: New Forum for a New Beginning
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/03/16 - 23:51 GMT
All costs will be funded by me. I do not believe there are official account names–just temporary usernames that you can change at any time. Moderators and admins can identify people by IP, though.
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